LM24 Race Le Mans 2011 - Race Week Thread - Scrutineering/Qualifying/Race - Page 40

TF110 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:21 (Ref:2896076)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

I´m absolutely gutted for Audi...this is something you don't wish onto your fiercest rivals.

I´m rooting for the #2 to win now... what horror the last eight hours must have been for the team.

I actually am agreeing with you even though I'm a Peugeot rooter. I want the #2 to go for victory just because I don't want it to be like a 'gang up' on Audi. It'll be a good race if the final Audi can go without incident!

dyewat808 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:21 (Ref:2896077)

Thanks god Rocky walked away from that. It's even worse when its at night and its unclear whats happened.

A miracle he is ok.

alexkiller8 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:22 (Ref:2896079)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Both Accidents were with GTE Pro Ferrari's...

yes but kauffman is not a pro.... at least not at le mans

tux · 11 Jun 2011, 21:23 (Ref:2896080)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

when a class for amateur drivers is created these accidents are really contemplable.....

I dont really understand you. First you moan that the lmp cars are too slow, now you complain about the amateur drivers. You realise if the lmp cars were going as fast as youd like to see them go Rocky would be dead, Marshals/photographers/spectactors would be dead from Mcnish accident. If you dont like Le Mans or want to complain 24/7 about it dont watch it!!

ACO says safety car could be in at 12:15 le mans time so 11:15 uk.

Audi Racer · 11 Jun 2011, 21:24 (Ref:2896081)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

when a class for amateur drivers is created these accidents are really contemplable.....

Robet Kaufmann is running a 458 italia in the GT PRO class

Gingers4Justice · 11 Jun 2011, 21:24 (Ref:2896082)

Guys, let's read the rules. GT cars are supposed to stick to their line.

NightStalk3r · 11 Jun 2011, 21:24 (Ref:2896083)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

yes but kauffman is not a pro.... at least not at le mans

So? The formation of the Amateur class has nothing to do with this as your last post suggested, as both cars involved were in the Pro class.

911targa · 11 Jun 2011, 21:24 (Ref:2896084)

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Originally Posted by tux

Yeah, the JMW 458 is having the clutch changed atm, Really suprised with the performance of the Prospeed Porsche so far.

I'm agree with you,PRO Lizard(6th GTE PRO,used to drop to the last) and AM Larbre 997(1st GTE AM)'s outstanding performance also worth the praise

.ProSpeed's iBird is flying today,their unique liveries really do help to them mentally.

Besides Luhr and Goossen's lap times are just like amateurs.

NightStalk3r · 11 Jun 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2896085)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Guys, let's read the rules. GT cars are supposed to stick to their line.

To be fair Rob was taking the normal GT line through the kink.

rustyfan · 11 Jun 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2896086)

I'm positive Kauffman saw Rocky coming, however, he might not have realized exactly how close the Audi was - several people have commented about Audis new headlights and how strong they are, almost disorienting drivers ahead of them. Might've been a factor in this crash.

Note that I'm not saying Kauffman wasn't at fault, because he totally was, but perhaps he isn't as much of an "amateur" as some suggest in this thread.

Gingers4Justice · 11 Jun 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2896087)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Not even slightly the Ferrari's fault. GT cars must stick to their line at all times. The Ferrari stuck to its line. He has his own race to run. Rocky has to make his own way around it.

Might not necessarily be Rocky's fault either. That third kink down to Indianaplois is a blind exit and it's off camber - you can't see the kerb at all from the right hand side. I don't think he was expecting the Ferrari to turn in because - quite simply - he didn't know the kink was there. Rocky doesn't seem to make any attempt to make the turn at all, he drives straight on and goes right over the grass. Might be a classic case of not knowing where you are in the dark...

Having watched the replay I am even more of this view.

These things happen. This is motor racing.

Audi Racer · 11 Jun 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2896088)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Exactly ..... this is professional ..... its proto , and gt2 minimum ..... not GT3 .

We all make mistakes

Mistakes.....let me repeat my self

"Robet Kaufmann are you kidding me!!!???

The Audi R18 has the Brightest Headlights in the Entire WORLD!!!! How the **** do you not se him. He was flashing his Headlights from Highbeams to double Highbeams. You almsot killed a guy for god sakes!!!

Robert Kaugfmann should be parked and DQ'd!!!

Jamesy-18 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2896089)

I hope upon hope that is it for accidents this year. Two terrible accidents. How both drivers got out of them I have no idea. Brilliant tribute to the safety of modern day racing cars and why racing can never be "too safe".

fieldodreams79 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2896090)

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Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Guys, let's read the rules. GT cars are supposed to stick to their line.

That has been my thoughts; when in doubt, especially at night, stick to you line.

But, easy for me to say from my living room.

Super Hans · 11 Jun 2011, 21:27 (Ref:2896092)

It was a racing incident. GT driver held his line (as he should), LMP driver went for a gap that was closing. Bang. These things have always, and will always, happen in endurance racing.

TheNewBob · 11 Jun 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2896093)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

To be fair Rob was taking the normal GT line through the kink.

Yes, but if someone is quite obviously coming through very quickly, then they should use their heads a little bit? Would have been far more dangerous for Rocky to have gone in the other direction!

I appreciate that the GT guys have been told to stick to their lines, but when someone is passing you, even for position, then you give them room, right?

NightStalk3r · 11 Jun 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2896094)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Mistakes.....let me repeat my self

"Robet Kaufmann are you kidding me!!!???

The Audi R18 has the Brightest Headlights in the Entire WORLD!!!! How the **** do you not se him. He was flashing his Headlights from Highbeams to double Highbeams. You almsot killed a guy for god sakes!!!

Robert Kaugfmann should be parked and DQ'd!!!

Then it wouldnt surprise you to hear that those "Brightest Headlights in the Entire WORLD!!!!" have been getting a lot of flack from the GT drivers this week as they are so bright they light up the whole cockpit of there car with half the mulsanne between them and thus is making judging distances VERY difficult.

Audi Racer · 11 Jun 2011, 21:29 (Ref:2896095)

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Originally Posted by 911targa

I'm agree with you,PRO Lizard(6th GTE PRO,used to drop to the last) and AM Larbre 997's(1st GTE AM) outstanding performance also worth the praise

.ProSpeed's iBird is flying today,their unique liveries really do help to them mentally.

Besides Luhr and Gooseen's lap times are just like amateurs.

Lucas Luhr is a porsche superrcup champion and has won at Lemans in porsches. Lucas lhur used to be a PORSCHE FACTORY DRIVER. He is not an amateur and his laptimes are not amatuerish either.

alexkiller8 · 11 Jun 2011, 21:29 (Ref:2896096)

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Originally Posted by tux

I dont really understand you. First you moan that the lmp cars are too slow, now you complain about the amateur drivers. You realise if the lmp cars were going as fast as youd like to see them go Rocky would be dead, Marshals/photographers/spectactors would be dead from Mcnish accident. If you dont like Le Mans or want to complain 24/7 about it dont watch it!!

ACO says safety car could be in at 12:15 le mans time so 11:15 uk.

where did i write that lmp are slow?...

cmk · 11 Jun 2011, 21:30 (Ref:2896097)

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Originally Posted by Holt

I absolutely conclude the Ferrari was at fault.

As do I. I was presenting the facts as neutrally as I could at the time!

AGD · 11 Jun 2011, 21:31 (Ref:2896098)

My apologies if this was mentioned before, but the #1 Audi crash was a major blow for Audi's ILMC hopes with this race being double points.

rustyfan · 11 Jun 2011, 21:31 (Ref:2896100)

Spectacular image from McNish's crash:

Gingers4Justice · 11 Jun 2011, 21:32 (Ref:2896101)

There needs to be reflectors on the armco of that kink. There's no sign of it until Rocky's on the grass.

Holt · 11 Jun 2011, 21:33 (Ref:2896102)

Dumas foreshadowed this by saying the amateure class was dangerous. You can see the "I told you so " look on his face

Waltrip said he and Robert Kauffman were forced in the pro class because they were using the new 458. They should be in the amateure class

Audi Racer · 11 Jun 2011, 21:33 (Ref:2896104)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Then it wouldnt surprise you to hear that those "Brightest Headlights in the Entire WORLD!!!!" have been getting a lot of flack from the GT drivers this week as they are so bright they light up the whole cockpit of there car with half the mulsanne between them and thus is making judging distances VERY difficult.

But Rocky was flashing his headlights. Even if kaufman he was being blinded. The flashing headlights meant he was going from blinded to double blinded. How can you exscuse that

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