Future Grands Prix?

[ECW Dan Selby]

Yeh, that's right. I remember hearing that they like tarmac, then a bit of gravel.

Would be good for F1, too! Well, at least from the fan's POV, anyway. Little bit of punishment there.

Selby

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Greem

Percentages.

If a bike runs wide (just like a car) on tarmac, the rider can throttle up if they can keep it upright and escape. In gravel they come to a rapid and grinding halt, if they don't flip. On grass, it's anybody's guess.

On tarmac, if they drop the bike then they continue to Brundle's "scene of the accident" very quickly; on gravel, they tend to stop before they get there - but have already come off the bike. On grass, it's anybody's guess.

The sliding-towards-the-wall aspect is one of the principal reasons I don't marshal bikes. *shudder*

Falling off a bike on grass you slide miles and only tend to stop when you hit something solid, the bike on grass digs in and gets airborne (usually), if you are out of luck that day it could easily come crashing down upon you from a dizzy height. Gravel is the best for bikes! Been there done that!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

Falling off a bike on grass you slide miles and only tend to stop when you hit something solid, the bike on grass digs in and gets airborne (usually), if you are out of luck that day it could easily come crashing down upon you from a dizzy height. Gravel is the best for bikes! Been there done that!

Solution:

F1 and Moto Gp share tracks. Moto GP uses Tarmac runoff, in case of a spill and for F1, Saferbarrier is brought in. That way, Moto GP riders can safely slide off and F1 drivers can't exceed the track perimeter.

[Sodemo]

In some cases, I think its better to have simply just a barrier to slide down until you come to a stop. Not all accidents are the same though, and of course in those cases you are inviting debris to be spread near the track, which isn't ideal. However having a barrier to glance off means that often the angle of impact is often quite shallow, then the car can brush off speed and come to a stop without any huge crash into an obliquely angled crash barrier where lots of energy is dissipated all at once.

[chillibowl]

probably could have posted this in a few different threads, but given whats happening with the FIFA right now, im curious to know will the authorities be turning their attention to another high profile sport which also suffers from a perception issue because of awarding events to places that have no business hosting events.

just speculation of course but bribery and kickbacks associated with F1 isnt exactly a stretch is it?

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

probably could have posted this in a few different threads, but given whats happening with the FIFA right now, im curious to know will the authorities be turning their attention to another high profile sport which also suffers from a perception issue because of awarding events to places that have no business hosting events.

just speculation of course but bribery and kickbacks associated with F1 isnt exactly a stretch is it?

If you had written "extortion", you would have been right on the money (pun intended). I have come to the sad conclusion the the obvious answer is that Mr E has been afflicted by the Napoleon Complex, and this would account for some of his bizarre pronouncements and his drive to control every facet of F1. He just gets his kicks from telling people to jump, and hearing them ask how high!

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

If you had written "extortion", you would have been right on the money (pun intended). I have come to the sad conclusion the the obvious answer is that Mr E has been afflicted by the Napoleon Complex, and this would account for some of his bizarre pronouncements and his drive to control every facet of F1. He just gets his kicks from telling people to jump, and hearing them ask how high!

So, was that intended too Mike? (Sorry, but the Friday night after work glass of wine has kicked in already!)

[wolfhound]

I wonder will the cancellation of the Baku BSS have any effect on Bernie's plans for a GP there. It was cancelled due to economic reasons. If they don't have enough cash for Stephane Ratal where are they going to find $$$$$$$$$$$ for Bernie?

http://www.motorsport.com/bss/news/z...n-sprint-serie

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

I wonder will the cancellation of the Baku BSS have any effect on Bernie's plans for a GP there. It was cancelled due to economic reasons. If they don't have enough cash for Stephane Ratal where are they going to find $$$$$$$$$$$ for Bernie?

http://www.motorsport.com/bss/news/z...n-sprint-serie

Maybe they cancelled it to pay for the GP?

[Mekola]

In an F1 Racing interview, did Bernie say that Argentina is one of the places he wanted to have F1 back? Interesting...

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Mekola

In an F1 Racing interview, did Bernie say that Argentina is one of the places he wanted to have F1 back? Interesting...

Now that I would like to see happen but like with anything Bernie says, I'm going to take it with a big pinch of salt. Remember what happened with New Jersey?

[wolfhound]

Tickets are still available for the Austrian GP with a crowd of only 60,000 to 70,000 expected. That's way short of last years sell out of 95,000.
Dr. Marko is not too happy blaming the current F1 for the situation.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31087.html

[wnut]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Tickets are still available for the Austrian GP with a crowd of only 60,000 to 70,000 expected. That's way short of last years sell out of 95,000.
Dr. Marko is not too happy blaming the current F1 for the situation.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31087.html

"Everyone is talking too much and doing too little.

"Everyone thinks more about how to get his own advantage than what is really good for the sport," said Marko.

Pretty well covers it!

[Tja]

Originally Posted by wnut

"Everyone is talking too much and doing too little.

"Everyone thinks more about how to get his own advantage than what is really good for the sport," said Marko.

Pretty well covers it!

Coming from the person who hasn't shut up since the start of the season, blaming Renault for their bad performance while struggeling to beat their small junior/sister team.
Seriously, this is pathetic. We'll have new rules for 2017, I think that's pretty certain by now as everyone, including the people running the sport are talking about how bad it has become. Before you can actually do anything, you need to have an idea what to do. So now is the time to talk while the doing bit should happen after this season.
But then again, if RB couldn't blame Mercedes, Renault or Bernie for 'ruining the sport', people could start thinking it might be their fault that they're not winning anymore?

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Perhaps everybody shouting about how bad Formula 1 is and exaggerating the situation to suit their own criteria has given everybody a negative image around the sport. That itself isn't helped by fans who won't shut up about how bad it is. And of course the continuing trend of seemingly trying to ignore any potential fans and the new generation, whilst trying to erase the history of Formula 1 from the calendar, doesn't help matters either.

In short, Mr Marko can blame whoever he wants, it's partially his own fault.

[chillibowl]

yeah maybe he is partially at fault but that doesnt take away from the fact that he is also right!

[wolfhound]

It looks like a New Jersey GP may not be completely dead as Bernie and Leo Hindery had a meeting over the Canadian GP weekend. The talks of 2017 being a possible earliest date.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ec...jersey-f1-race

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

It looks like a New Jersey GP may not be completely dead as Bernie and Leo Hindery had a meeting over the Canadian GP weekend. The talks of 2017 being a possible earliest date.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ec...jersey-f1-race

How bizarre, I mentioned New Jersey as a comparison to the likely hood of Argentina holding a future GP in a previous post #986 and low and behold, it rears it head again.

New Jersey's always been a pipe dream for Bernie, with the Manhatten skyline in the background but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

How bizarre, I mentioned New Jersey as a comparison to the likely hood of Argentina holding a future GP in a previous post #986 and low and behold, it rears it head again.

New Jersey's always been a pipe dream for Bernie, with the Manhatten skyline in the background but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Is that all that matters these days for an F1 track, to have a pretty skyline? What am I saying? Of course that's all that matters, who gives two damns what the track is actually like...

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Is that all that matters these days for an F1 track, to have a pretty skyline? What am I saying? Of course that's all that matters, who gives two damns what the track is actually like...

I believe Bernie likes the Manhattan sky line.

[sweetchuk]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I believe Bernie likes the Manhattan sky line.

Bernie likes a lot of things that are either superfluous or immaterial to enhancing the offered product.

I suppose though, when one gets as autocratically bereft as he is, and $$ dominates his withered thoughts, then he's incapable of delivering anything more tangible than a fancy skyline in the background ....

[wnut]

Large affluent population in the world's richest city with the ultimate street cred, in a market he wants to be seen in.

Not much not to like!


$$$

[Mike Harte]

I think that allowing the press know that BCE had met Hindery and had been "discussing" a possible New Jersey race is all part of Mr E's psychological warfare battle plan. He uses this tactic every time that there are negotiations being conducted on the renewal of another venue's contract to place extra pressure on the talks, and in this case that would be Monza's turn.

However, as nothing much has been written about the proposed New Jersey circuit for some time, my memory is a little dim but I do seem to remember some of the details. If I am correct, around two years ago, the intended site had been already built upon, and because of the delays, a considerable number of very costly alterations would have been require. I think one such change would mean that the race promoter would need to build a bridge over the adjacent river, and they would need to find a new area in which to place the pits and paddock. The original plan was to use the ground floor of one of the buildings as the garages and F1 offices, etc., but that building is now in use and the ground floor is currently occupied by retail type businesses.

With all due deference to our American cousins, but as a generalisation, they don't share the same passion for Formula 1 as much as they do in many other countries, and I am sure that the administrative powers in New Jersey will be aware of how much government financial intervention would be required. They only have to look at the current US GP which is at the forefront of an legal dispute over subsidies, apart from the financial help that both Montreal and Melbourne receive from their respective local authorities.

[wolfhound]

Classic Bernie trying to get more money out of Monza?

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ex...ian-grand-prix

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Classic Bernie trying to get more money out of Monza?

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ex...ian-grand-prix

What does he need more money for?