Le Mans Series 2010 - Page 41

HORNDAWG · 30 Mar 2010, 18:21 (Ref:2663663)

If I recall correctly one of the caveats of allowing the GT-1s in at Le Mans this year was of minimum participation in an endurance series. The teams (on the whole) seem to be not upholding this, the ACO should pull the plug on the class and place reserves to fill the spots, now! So as to allow the teams to get full and well prepared for June! IMO of course.

L.P.

NightStalk3r · 30 Mar 2010, 18:31 (Ref:2663671)

Problem is there are 8 GT1's for Le Mans and only 5 Reserves.

isynge · 30 Mar 2010, 18:35 (Ref:2663675)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Problem is there are 8 GT1's for Le Mans and only 5 Reserves.

Fine - allow LMP reserves in too.

Anything's got to be better than this awful lingering of a class.

HORNDAWG · 30 Mar 2010, 18:38 (Ref:2663681)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Problem is there are 8 GT1's for Le Mans and only 5 Reserves.

That is not a problem as I see it, as there are 10 reserves! Besides the Matech Ford on the GT list is a GT-1, so 4 of each.

L.P.

Fogelhund · 30 Mar 2010, 18:52 (Ref:2663694)

Unfortunately, the ACO has made their bed. They'll need to allow the GT1 cars to run at LM. For one car, I'd cancel the class in the LMS post LM.

AndrewF31 · 30 Mar 2010, 18:56 (Ref:2663699)

I would be very happy with that but I doubt it will happen. Also, I think maybe the Peka Corvettes, Alphand Corvettes, Lambo (by what is being said in other threads) and maybe!! the Saleen, could make it based on past performances.
However, one question I have is if the LM GT1 will be ACO-spec or based on Ratatouille's rules? Or all they all the same crap job?

Fogelhund · 30 Mar 2010, 19:26 (Ref:2663725)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

based on Ratatouille's rules?

AndrewF31 · 30 Mar 2010, 19:49 (Ref:2663740)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Oh crap. It doesn't look good.

LeMans.pt · 30 Mar 2010, 19:52 (Ref:2663745)

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Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Down to just the Larbre Saleen in GT1 now, seriously ACO just get rid of the class, its an embarrassment.

Someone please shoot the damn horse....

ascarracinguk · 30 Mar 2010, 20:09 (Ref:2663758)

u say scrap the class now....but il actually cry the last time a saleen goes on track....such an awesome car, il really miss it, wish it was racing in the fia gt1 series tho..would fit in much better

HORNDAWG · 30 Mar 2010, 20:55 (Ref:2663806)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Unfortunately, the ACO has made their bed. They'll need to allow the GT1 cars to run at LM. For one car, I'd cancel the class in the LMS post LM.

I would not state that as ironclad! The ACO did leave themselves an out.

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These same constructors will also have to participate in our European or Asian series, this being a determining requirement for the selection of those invited to race at the 2010 24 Heures du Mans.

From http://www.lemans.org/files/actu/200...__4626_gb.html

L.P.

Fogelhund · 30 Mar 2010, 21:19 (Ref:2663821)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I would not state that as ironclad! The ACO did leave themselves an out.

From http://www.lemans.org/files/actu/200...__4626_gb.html

L.P.

But they've made the selections and the invites. This provision seems to indicate

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this being a determining requirement
for the selection

It doesn't say, if we make selections, and they drop out... then...

If they backed out now, there would be big time lawsuits. It is too late to change the logistics.

Marcel ten Caat · 30 Mar 2010, 21:23 (Ref:2663825)

they will participate, just not in all rounds

HORNDAWG · 30 Mar 2010, 21:53 (Ref:2663848)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

But they've made the selections and the invites. This provision seems to indicate

It doesn't say, if we make selections, and they drop out... then...

If they backed out now, there would be big time lawsuits. It is too late to change the logistics.

A requirement, which has not been met!!

L.P.

isynge · 30 Mar 2010, 22:06 (Ref:2663852)

I'm generally dead-set against mandating all-season long entries, figuring it does more harm than good (e.g. it would have ruled out the appearance of the WFR Embassy at Silverstone last year) but for a Le Mans entry I wouldn't have a problem at all with insisting on entrants for the 24 Hours being season long competitors in one of the three ACO regs championships.

If people think that's too extreme then auto-invites could be exempt from a clause like this.

The GT1 situation this year makes a farce of what is otherwise a really strong entry list, and given the strength in both LMP and GT2 on the reserve list it's galling to see places being taken by what look like being one off appearance cars.

cmk · 30 Mar 2010, 22:41 (Ref:2663867)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

A requirement, which has not been met!!

L.P.

Unless the popular interpretation is incorrect, participation seems to involve entering in at least one pre-Le Mans LMS race. The general consensus among teams seems to be to make Spa rather than Paul Ricard that race. I have to say I agree with Fogelhund; they have to lie in their bed this year, but they can throw out the frame and burn the mattress for next...

Fogelhund · 31 Mar 2010, 01:31 (Ref:2663921)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

A requirement, which has not been met!!

L.P.

I get that point.

If the requirement wasn't met, they shouldn't have been selected.

They were selected however, and we are past the point referenced to by the ACO.

There is no provision for being "de-selected".

This is one of the reasons some people complain about how early the ACO announces their "invitations". Participation in events such as Sebring, or in this case LMS should be a pre-requirement. Too bad the ACO didn't follow their own rules, and get stung for it.

R4z3rw33n · 31 Mar 2010, 13:13 (Ref:2664168)

It won't make an appearance in 2010, but:
WR-Salini announces development of Diesel LMP1 engine for 2011.

Interesting news.
Especially the part where Pascal Sexy (

) highlights that 80% of the components are manufactured by Peugeot.

Victor_RO · 31 Mar 2010, 14:10 (Ref:2664190)

So we'll be seeing a Peugeot-Peugeot diesel engine and a WR-Peugeot(-ish) diesel engine in 2011?

Or this is just a sneaky revelation that WR is already working on the basic concept of Peugeot's 2011 LMP1 engine?

Or simply that WR are using parts currently going in the big V12 for a 2011-spec engine?

HORNDAWG · 31 Mar 2010, 14:47 (Ref:2664204)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Or simply that WR are using parts currently going in the big V12 for a 2011-spec engine?

What, one of the cylinder heads?

edit: upon reading the article I see it is a V-8, so not much, if any, of 'the big V12' would be used.

L.P.

pablocomics · 31 Mar 2010, 15:25 (Ref:2664224)

They will be back with peugeot? That would be great news

R4z3rw33n · 31 Mar 2010, 16:56 (Ref:2664275)

The article also states that WR intends to sell the engine to privateers. So in some ways a similar situation to the Mazda/AER scenario (albeit a role reversal).

Unless they do something special, WR will be (for the most part) selling rebadged Peugeot engines.

JAG · 31 Mar 2010, 18:21 (Ref:2664326)

Producing a customer diesel P1 engine is an interesting direction to take.

Victor_RO · 31 Mar 2010, 18:24 (Ref:2664332)

Oreca did mention that the 02 (their 2011 P1) would be fitted with a Peugeot engine, so it's not exactly news that Peugeot is increasing its customer programme; though it does seem to be on quite a large scale at the moment.

Félix · 31 Mar 2010, 20:09 (Ref:2664413)

I think they're 2 separate projects; the Peugeot engine will be a race engine. The WR V8 is made out of 80% Peugeot parts. Interesting if they're 908 parts; but I would think it's eight pistons and other parts from the road car V6 (just like the LMP675 V6 and turbo-4 used Peugeot parts already).

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