Steel Cranks for FF1600 - Page 45

SCOBER11 · 17 Jan 2009, 11:09 (Ref:2373260)

Think we need an EGM to sort it all out but i can't really see anybody opposing it.

mattray · 20 Jan 2009, 00:11 (Ref:2374918)

I have had one engine go on account of a piston breaking up. (not the crank!!) Bold said that there is a lubrication hole that can't be radiussed (seems like a viable spelling) which can result in a crack. so it cracked, top of the piston departed and the con rod managed to find it's way underneath the cylinder, and stuck it out the block.

So while we are changing cranks, can we have free pistons too? and what about the cams and followers? any reason why these parts can't be made free?

Flavio Galtieri · 22 Jan 2009, 11:36 (Ref:2376721)

Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether scat cranks will be legal next year?

I can't find anything that says the BRSCC or anybody else have changed the rules. I'm still trying all methods of communication but without success.

My engine (with broken crank) is at the builders, they need to fit a crank. We are contesting Club FF1600 National Championship this year, also hopefully the Carnival, Festival and WHT.

All I need to know is what do I fit to be legal?

Flavio Galtieri · 22 Jan 2009, 11:45 (Ref:2376726)

Latest update from Kevin is that scat cranks are NOT legal yet but may well be by tomorrow evening.

JohnMiller · 22 Jan 2009, 12:07 (Ref:2376743)

Not for the Carnival or WHT though Flav?

ff90 · 22 Jan 2009, 13:00 (Ref:2376781)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Not for the Carnival or WHT though Flav?

Anything can change and probably will John

JohnMiller · 22 Jan 2009, 13:10 (Ref:2376785)

Ok Phil, it's still be bloody annoying to change regs so late in the day. If they want to change, it should be announced before the end of the previosu season.

I bet the BRSCC still wonder why people don't like racing with them anymore.

FA73 · 22 Jan 2009, 13:19 (Ref:2376791)

The Classic Formula Ford Register have today made a formal request to the BARC for an amendment to the Technical Regulations covering the Bernard Baxter Engineering URS Classic Formula Ford Championship which would permit the use of the SCAT crankshaft in the championship.

The intention is that the wording of the regulation change shall be in line with the BRSCC version.

www.classicformulaford.com

ff90 · 22 Jan 2009, 13:56 (Ref:2376826)

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Ok Phil, it's still be bloody annoying to change regs so late in the day. If they want to change, it should be announced before the end of the previosu season.

Totally agree with you there, but it's been a long 4 years in coming and late is better then never

mwg · 22 Jan 2009, 18:53 (Ref:2377023)

So, if the BRSCC and Classic FF1600 both move, wont others have to follow suit or risk dwindling grids?

Athgoe Racing · 22 Jan 2009, 22:02 (Ref:2377136)

If ford change a few words in the regs it will solve all the problems, we will all have it in the morning and there would be no confusion and will keep every thing under control. It will also keep all ff1600 champs united which is more important especially for the main end of season events and the future of ff1600.

Flavio Galtieri · 23 Jan 2009, 17:00 (Ref:2377709)

Just spoken to Kevin and it's all done and dusted, Ford are changing the regs so SCAT cranks are allowed. Official notification will follow on the Club FF site and an email sent to all past competitors.

So, a happy ending to a very long thread?

STEWIE-R · 23 Jan 2009, 17:49 (Ref:2377746)

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Originally Posted by diz

This poll may as well be closed Alan. You won't get engine regs changed, as big God Ford Motor Company make all the decisions of a technical nature.

dikko · 23 Jan 2009, 18:33 (Ref:2377783)

Can't speak for our championship Co-ordinator and 30% of our Guys who don't want/don't care to change but for the rest of the Historic FF's,
YES PLEASE.

dikko · 23 Jan 2009, 19:18 (Ref:2377821)

Found this on BRSCC's website Club Formula Ford

REGULATION APPROVAL BY FORD MOTOR COMPANY

At a meeting convened today, it was agreed by Ford Motor Company with immediate effect to incorporate the following additions to the Ford Technical Regulations for Kent Engine.

Under Engine Regulation

Option: The fitment of alternative crankshaft - SCAT crankshaft which will carry a Ford approved unique identity.

Option: Fitment of alternative con rod bolts.

Option: Fitment of shim to allow adjustment for 'tappet'(this allows where heads have been continually skimmed to the point that original tappet clearances are no longer possible).

The SCAT crankshaft will be imported by Don Hilton's FFI and will carry a unique identity.

Any competitor who has an engine which has already had a SCAT crankshaft fitted and not sourced through Don Hilton/FFI/Sky Ford shall forthwith notify the Championship Manager, Kevin Shortis and no later than 31st January 2009. This will be noted by Eligibility Scrutineer/ BRSCC Chief Scrutineer and on the first occasion that that engine is dismantled for any reason then this fact must be communicated to the Championship Manager in order that the crankshaft may be given its own unique identity.

kartingdad · 23 Jan 2009, 19:38 (Ref:2377836)

And how much are the cranks going to cost?

Athgoe Racing · 23 Jan 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2377882)

Fantastic news, it keeps all parties happy as long as don makes his cut from the discount he receives and does not add to the price of them!

ff90 · 24 Jan 2009, 08:47 (Ref:2378095)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dikko

Found this on BRSCC's website Club Formula Ford

REGULATION APPROVAL BY FORD MOTOR COMPANY

Under Engine Regulation

Option: The fitment of alternative crankshaft - SCAT crankshaft which will carry a Ford approved unique identity.

The SCAT crankshaft will be imported by Don Hilton's FFI and will carry a unique identity.

Any competitor who has an engine which has already had a SCAT crankshaft fitted and not sourced through Don Hilton/FFI/Sky Ford shall forthwith notify the Championship Manager, Kevin Shortis and no later than 31st January 2009. This will be noted by Eligibility Scrutineer/ BRSCC Chief Scrutineer and on the first occasion that that engine is dismantled for any reason then this fact must be communicated to the Championship Manager in order that the crankshaft may be given its own unique identity.

ha, ha, ha
How the club knows to shoot its self in the foot?

and the cranks Cost??

FFmygale · 24 Jan 2009, 09:24 (Ref:2378104)

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Originally Posted by ff90

ha, ha, ha
How the club knows to shoot its self in the foot?

and the cranks Cost??

and isn't it also typical how Shortis expects all competitors who already have a crank fitted to register it by 31st Jan. So he expects prompt communication from others despite the fact that its taken him months to instigate a change that should have been notified BEFORE the end of season!!

SAMD · 24 Jan 2009, 15:33 (Ref:2378258)

Fair point.

StephenRae · 24 Jan 2009, 15:47 (Ref:2378265)

This Don Hilton just can't let go can he?
I may be a cynic but wouldn't one be admitting to cheating by declaring a steel crank now?
How much will it cost to have the 'unique' number stamped on?
My theory is that Scat have assured that without lightening the flywheel their cranks will break just as often, thus safeguarding profits!
My sympathies are with the Chinese guy with the foundry who will have to go back to casting agricultural stuff!

quest · 25 Jan 2009, 16:29 (Ref:2378823)

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Originally Posted by StephenRae

My sympathies are with the Chinese guy with the foundry who will have to go back to casting agricultural stuff!

Where do you think the Scat casting comes from?

Walshy · 25 Jan 2009, 22:46 (Ref:2379212)

So whilst in essence, the people get what they want. It isn't truly a democratic process is it.

On the grounds of, you can have your amendment, but on our terms......................

Phil. Your the man who knows. What cost could you get the SCAT crank for? Has Mr Hilton announced a price as yet? And also, is there any blatantly apparent way of identifying the SCAT over a standard crank. Just in case, when you order a new crank, you don't get sent the old one by mistake(!)

Aren't we a synical lot??????????

ff90 · 26 Jan 2009, 08:24 (Ref:2379418)

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Originally Posted by Walshy

Phil. Your the man who knows. What cost could you get the SCAT crank for?

Not really any more, but from the Pegasus web site your looking at $765 = £554 plus P&P and UK vat with the $ @ 1.38/£
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...asp?RecID=4743
However this is a one off rate and I know they can be bought in the UK cheaper by comparison the FFI crank (Don Hiltions own) on the same site is $899 = £651
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pro...asp?RecID=3472
So it s up to you but last time I enquired about a larger order the price was considerably cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Walshy

is there any blatantly apparent way of identifying the SCAT over a standard crank

The crank I originally had was stamped I think but not sure about current ones, will find out.

The best thing everyone can do is email Kevin Shortis at the BRSCC saying they already have a SCAT crank, and then if you wish you have the option in the future and are not held over a barrel
mailto:formulaford@brscc.co.uk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walshy

Aren't we a synical lot??????????

It’s the way we are forced to become especially after reading the new ruling

onenastyviper · 26 Jan 2009, 15:16 (Ref:2379656)

How does this marking of cranks actually occur? what identification markings are on scat cranks already?

why not have free choice on cranks and flywheels anyway, in fact why not have free choice on engines, or aerodynamic aids? If we play smart, we could end up with more technical freedom than F1 and that would be great

Might be expensive though but if you can't afford it you shouldn't be out playing - Mantra a la Bernie E.

View Poll Results: Should steel crankshafts be used.
Steel crankshafts...yes	117	75.48%
Steel crankshafts...no	9	5.81%
Leave it the way its always been	29	18.71%
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