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27 Aug 2016, 21:53 (Ref:3667920) | #1126 | |
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Mazda is the best lmp2 car right now. But next year every team has a p2 coupled with the pro drivers in current dp teams. Mazda can't even win right now with the fastest car, how are they going to do it when everyone else has the 'same' car?
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I for one am really glad to see Jeoren Bleekemolen finally getting a Prototype ride. I hope the team and car are up to standard, and the BoP is fair. I have wanted to see him up front for quite a few years now. He is seriously quick, and generally smart as well.
Eight-car top class .... meh. Used to it, not thrilled about it, but it only takes two to race .... though it is nice if there is at least a Little mystery about who might win. On the other hand, anything beats the Ganassi uber Alles days. So, yeah ... Action Express Sports Car Championship, Version IV, is what I expect. |
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27 Aug 2016, 23:31 (Ref:3667930) | #1129 | |
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Save it. I'm not going to fall into another pointless argument over defending the series or criticizing it. If all cars are supposed to be equal and Mazda or others can't get a win the bop talk will be back no matter if you like it or not. Some cars will be better and they should be if they're designed to be. But I don't think that will be the opinion of drivers or fans (at least here) if we see only one car winning.
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Seems Core will be bringing an Oreca 07 to put up against the DPis.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...s-in-2017.html L.P. |
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28 Aug 2016, 07:28 (Ref:3667980) | #1132 | |
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Look set...most likely...expecting... it wouldn't be a sportscar article without the standard vocabulary.
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28 Aug 2016, 12:12 (Ref:3668027) | #1133 | ||
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Sure, it might not happen---but it makes sense. Core can either drop to GTD or step up. I cannot see them going to GTLM because they (basically) already have two cars in GTLM ... so DPi makes sense, and with the Trueman Aiken trophy (and Le Mans invite .... ) |
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If Core and Starworks do move up to the top class, to me that goes a long way towards justifying the removal of the PC class. Hope they have drivers with the budget to do so and the 'am' trophy receives the coverage these teams and drivers deserve.
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28 Aug 2016, 22:24 (Ref:3668255) | #1136 | |
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Except we probably won't be seeing them in the cars for qualifying at the regular events, since the starting driver is the qualifying driver and no teams want to use their amateur driver as the closing driver.
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Rules can change if the teams ask. But it will be interesting to see team strategy since there is no drive time requirements in Protos. A single stint for the am makes the most sense, and given the likelihood of yellows in imsa races, an early am stint could keep the car in the mix.
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Cadillac, Mazda, Riley, Oreca, Just need Ligier.
It is a pity that IMSA decided not give a right BOP to the Ligier-Honda 2016, I would like to see this (Michael Shank and possibly ESM) with the new cars. About Mazda I see very fragile the engine, and the next year with 100 HP more it could be worse. |
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Only thing wrong with the Ligier Honda in IMSA right now is that they're saddled by MSR's choice of a pro-am driver line up. Pew has rarely been on pace and Negri has rarely been fast enough on his own to make up the difference.
Next year, though, if MSR stay in DPI, they're going to at the very least need a new car, as the newer-spec stock block engine cars will be getting power breaks to allow them to keep pace with the Gibson powered cars which will have around 600bhp per ACO and IMSA regs. Older spec cars, unless something changes between now and the start of the 2017 season, will be essentially kept as is now next season. |
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I'd guess somewhere a bit above GTLM/GTE, so about 500bhp, maybe up to about 520. The main reason for the larger displacement of the HPD engine was to boost torque without a huge turbo boost increase.
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ESM had Derani, who made a joke of BoP. MSR made a mess of many things in every race, sadly ... another great shoot-your-foot (hit-the-curb, whatever) story.
But the Ligier was quick when it was well set-up and well-driven. I seem to recall it featuring in a couple podium ceremonies early on .... Methinks Scott Sharp, Johannes van Overbeek, and Pipo Derani like their hats. No one knows much about next year yet, except that anyone who is serious about winning will need a real DPi and not a grandfathered and hamstrung P2. |
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Or a new P2 - don't forget that IMSA views ACO-spec P2s as P2s, not DPis. (which is why some people don't trust them to adhere to their insistence that BoP will be set to match new-P2 performance)
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