IMSA Race 2016 Rolex 24 at Daytona

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

I really don't enjoy this kind of language being used in endurance racing.

I don't enjoy seeing the kind of shenanigans Corvette was pulling in endurance racing as well.

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Oh I get the point. The balancing of two completely different cars wasn't perfect. The race wasn't perfect either, but both worked for me.

Yeah it worked for me as well. Not as a flawless product, but good enough. I stated as much my original message as well.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

The frequency of the full course yellows and the wave around rule allows you to get away with having just one hotshoe driver along with 3 so-so ones. Sharp/VanO/Brown just had one job: Not crash it. While Luis Felipe Denari did the fast laps at crunch time. ESM knew that believe me! ESM executed race strategy perfectly this time.

Great points. Perhaps I did it myself and while I have seen the damage Scott S can do first hand, let's not completely lump Johannes and Scott into the same category as Ed Brown.

Originally Posted by joeb

I still don't see much of a problem. Honda debuted a new engine - it seems to be good. The DP's all had trouble except the 90 car (I count sickening fumes as trouble for the 10), had the AEX cars or Ganassi stayed clean they may have won easily over the ESM boys.

I still have a feeling IMSA's new bop procedure with the advanced electronics actually made these cars equal - and as was mentioned above - Derani was just able to use 110% of the performance of the car.

Also keep in mind that this is Daytona. It is a unique place and no matter what the results were IMSA will be changing bop before Sebring. So don't get too hungup thinking the DP's have no shot.

Agreed 100%. I found that the DPs seemed quicker on the infield section while the ESM seemed to faster on the high banks. I think this will give the DPs the advantage for Sebring. Things happen that way sometimes.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

I don't enjoy seeing the kind of shenanigans Corvette was pulling in endurance racing as well.



Yeah it worked for me as well. Not as a flawless product, but good enough. I stated as much my original message as well.

Glad you found it enjoyable and Corvette should be banned from all from all future competition.

[Baritone2400]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

I really don't enjoy this kind of language being used in endurance racing.

I agree, i saw a wonderful race, cant wait till sebring!

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Glad you found it enjoyable and Corvette should be banned from all from all future competition.

my my, these corvetter haters screaming bloody murder..

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

my my, these corvetter haters screaming bloody murder..

Corvette sneezes and they're scum and up to shenanigans as I predicted. Great find.

[CyberMotor]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Confession: I had never ever heard of Luis Felipe Derani until this afternoon.

Ditto

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by joeb

Yup, and I don't mind seeing one type of car succeed on a given track. It goes back to the old days when one car may be good at Daytona, and somebody else good at Sebring or Laguna. The DW also was rocket fast on the banking. You aren't going to change that with BOP. But to be honest, most of the GTD's could pass GTLM on the banking. Not a Lambo specific issue.

As you know I hate BoP, BUT (and it is a very big BUT), if you going to have it, then it must be the same for all; otherwise it defeats it's purpose and turns it all into a clown show.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

It would be nice to know how many people were watching the stream.

I tried - terrible IMSA stream - then I tried the app, it was even worse. Unfortunately, no fs1 or 2 available where I was.

[schmidder]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

I enjoyed watching the race, caught maybe 2/3 of it. While watching though, I knew already that it was skewed, but I didn't let that disturb me. It was easy for me as I don't like DPs and prefer other style of prototypes, and in this race BoP was so that the DPs didn't have a chance until all of the non-DP competition broke catastrophically. When the DW and the mazda still were with us, at anytime you had the impression any of the P2 (plus the DW) could just take turns in hustling DPs at their will. Of course I enjoyed the picture for a while, sort of a revenge feel. But it faded, after a while I felt as sorry for the DP teams as I felt back in the USCC's beginning for P2 teams.

No matter how much hindy loved it, I couldn't see a DP being able to compete with a P2 this time around.

PCs.. it's a pity you guys all hate them so much, they're like the ALMS days prototypes. In theory faster than these cars filled with pro drivers, but breaking left, right, mistakes, drama... while looking nice and sounding great. Think it's a pity that they still aren't surviving without hardware issues.

GTLM.. guess the story of the race is the kind of scum move you do when you're corvette and your opponent is not corvette. Also looking forward to actually analyzing the sector and lap times myself, I have the slight suspicion that corvette's performance envelope during the final 45 minutes was tighter and higher up than the rest of the field. And I reckon that's as much a coincidence as Aston Martin's WEC "target performance" driving. In other words, I believe not only are they acting like scum on the race track, but also off the track. Curious to see what the data will be hinting at.

GTD.. what a field. Also, sure the lambos were fast in a straight line (wtf fast), but it didn't help them - at all. Guess their balance was better than on the other end of the field.

I don't like the track where the event was held, but it was worth my time without angering me, so kudos to IMSA I suppose

Trying to understand the corvette scum comment here?? Is this in relation to gavin's tap of Bamber in the last hour? Bit harsh if so, imo. And I am a huge porsche fan. Bamber was clearly holding him up, was lots of time left, wasn't going to hold off gavin for 30+ mins (or garcia) for that matter. While I am not a fan of the bump and run, really wasn't much harm that came from it and it was inevitable that the vettes were gonna go by anyhow.

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Corvette sneezes and they're scum and up to shenanigans as I predicted. Great find.

You may cling to your apparent belief that it is the fact that it was corvette who "sneezed" that made me classify the action as a scum move if it makes you happy.

You may of course ignore I insist that this does not have to do with the name of the team, but their actions, and all I can do against it is post this message.

[TzeiTzei]

Originally Posted by wdave0

I tried - terrible IMSA stream - then I tried the app, it was even worse. Unfortunately, no fs1 or 2 available where I was.

So the question is... where were you?

It worked well for me.

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by schmidder

Trying to understand the corvette scum comment here?? Is this in relation to gavin's tap of Bamber in the last hour?

Yes.

IMHO, if it was inevitable (cf. #4 passing after the bump), the bump was never necessary. If you can't pass cleanly, then ... don't. If you insist on hitting other cars, penalty box is where you belong, IMO.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

So the question is... where were you?

It worked well for me.

Doubletree Hotel, Memphis, TN. Might be the problem was Android, though Youtube worked fine.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

Yes.

IMHO, if it was inevitable (cf. #4 passing after the bump), the bump was never necessary. If you can't pass cleanly, then ... don't. If you insist on hitting other cars, penalty box is where you belong, IMO.

Agreed, chrome horn only justified only in cases of blocking or "over defending" but at least the Porsche wasn't put off track.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

You may cling to your apparent belief that it is the fact that it was corvette who "sneezed" that made me classify the action as a scum move if it makes you happy.

You may of course ignore I insist that this does not have to do with the name of the team, but their actions, and all I can do against it is post this message.

If me clinging to minor incidents being blown out proportions by the same crowd time and time again makes me happy, no matter the team, so be it.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

Yes.

IMHO, if it was inevitable (cf. #4 passing after the bump), the bump was never necessary. If you can't pass cleanly, then ... don't. If you insist on hitting other cars, penalty box is where you belong, IMO.

I fully agree. If the Corvette was as good as it was, then you should have no issues getting around. I lost a lot of respect for OG with that move. Completely unnecessary.

[schmidder]

It wasn't necessary..I agree, just didn't think scum classification was quite justified..

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I fully agree. If the Corvette was as good as it was, then you should have no issues getting around. I lost a lot of respect for OG with that move. Completely unnecessary.

And Beau was napping again - or was told to be napping!

Wondering what IMSA's take on the DW crash will be, a rather harsh punishment should be given to Meyrick! (sitting out Sebring for instance comes to mind.)

[nasportscar]

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[Russell Allen]

Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

So the question is... where were you?

It worked well for me.

had trouble with the app , more than likely user error, scoreboard on the backstretch was not working,, tv stream was off and on

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by schmidder

It wasn't necessary..I agree, just didn't think scum classification was quite justified..

If it helps you, I'm not a native speaker, and "scum" was what came up when I was looking for a word to describe "subjectively perceived as having performed a negative action consciously, i.e. with awareness of its negativity and intent to put the morale aside and go through with it nonetheless" with less spaces.

[Adam43]

Cool, let's move on from that word because those points are worth discussing.

[Ephaeton]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Cool, let's move on from that word because those points are worth discussing.

yay thanks...

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

And Beau was napping again - or was told to be napping!

Wondering what IMSA's take on the DW crash will be, a rather harsh punishment should be given to Meyrick! (sitting out Sebring for instance comes to mind.)

Okay, I still haven't understood what happened there. I missed it in the live pictures, and what I gathered happened was (please correct me: )

- lmpc dies, sits on track and can't leave the middle of the apex
- couple of cars narrowly avoid the immobile LMPC
- DW comes along and hits hit full on.

So then I hear an interview afterwards, from someone (female voice but not Legge) from the DW team (I think) "we told him there's a car there, but somehow he didn't hear us that lap".

I did not see the flagging for the incident, but this thread makes me think the yellows came late. Additionally, I did see the placement of the marshal post is unlucky for that corner, as it's beyond the pit-exit road, even further to the inside of the corner.

What's your take on who's to blame? Race control (should've FCY'd earlier? better radio transmissions?)? DW team? Meyrick? combination of these?

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

yay thanks...



Okay, I still haven't understood what happened there. I missed it in the live pictures, and what I gathered happened was (please correct me: )

- lmpc dies, sits on track and can't leave the middle of the apex
- couple of cars narrowly avoid the immobile LMPC
- DW comes along and hits hit full on.

So then I hear an interview afterwards, from someone (female voice but not Legge) from the DW team (I think) "we told him there's a car there, but somehow he didn't hear us that lap".

I did not see the flagging for the incident, but this thread makes me think the yellows came late. Additionally, I did see the placement of the marshal post is unlucky for that corner, as it's beyond the pit-exit road, even further to the inside of the corner.

What's your take on who's to blame? Race control (should've FCY'd earlier? better radio transmissions?)? DW team? Meyrick? combination of these?

The DW incident is pretty much fully explained here. I blame the driver (Meyrick).