IMSA Race TUSC Round 2: The Mobil 1 12 Hours of Sebring - Page 49

Louie Loper · 16 Mar 2014, 02:40 (Ref:3380181)

good to talk to you all, see you for F1

Holt · 16 Mar 2014, 02:40 (Ref:3380182)

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Originally Posted by belt driven

Another record has been set. During the 12 Hours of Sebring there were 964 posts to this thread with the lowest percentage of almswhiningaboutdp that I have seen in months.

Y'all have a good night. I'm going for 3 hrs sleep, then F1 (2AM here).

DVR will change your life

Lagunaseca_4life · 16 Mar 2014, 02:42 (Ref:3380183)

All right gents time for some dinner at Texas road house!

Then f1

I'm out!

chernaudi · 16 Mar 2014, 02:43 (Ref:3380184)

Problem is that in '12 the problems were spread out among classes. This time, it was LMPC that was the culprit of a lot of the issues, especially in the first half.

Some of the moves today were just insane. Oreca got proof that they build sturdy race cars, but I don't think they wanted the proof demonstrated like it was several times today. And the Risi Ferrari deal was just a boneheaded move on Matteo's part. Like as one said earlier, when he's good, he's really good, and when he's bad, he's horrible.

Some of these deals just seem like giving a little kid or an insane person a AK-47 or an AR-15 and live ammo. That's not gonna end well to put it lightly. Like firearms, race cars need to be treated with the respect they deserve, and they can be dangerous in the wrong hands.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Mar 2014, 02:43 (Ref:3380185)

I'm with Dodge Swinger. I feel ripped off and insulted. WEC and F1 for me. I will not travel to watch this filth.

Matt · 16 Mar 2014, 02:46 (Ref:3380186)

See ya!

jasonjessica09 · 16 Mar 2014, 02:47 (Ref:3380187)

Quote:

Originally Posted by belt driven

Another record has been set. During the 12 Hours of Sebring there were 964 posts to this thread with the lowest percentage of almswhiningaboutdp that I have seen in months.

Y'all have a good night. I'm going for 3 hrs sleep, then F1 (2AM here).

The whining was about two things that ALMS fans have complained about before which has carried over to TUSK in an even worse way that what existed before 1) The LMPC class 2)Full course yellows...the length and frequency.

jasonjessica09 · 16 Mar 2014, 02:48 (Ref:3380188)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

I'm with Dodge Swinger. I feel ripped off and insulted. WEC and F1 for me. I will not travel to watch this filth.

Please keep on supporting this series. Hopefully IMSA will learn. Also we can go the next two races with just LMP2, DP, and GTLM only.

Articus · 16 Mar 2014, 02:55 (Ref:3380191)

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Originally Posted by Holt

Maybe not in the same league equipment wise, but Ganassi is every bit as good as Penske when it comes to preparation and professionalism. As for the many recent Audi banners which came with victories that were more like 12 hour test sessions then races...really not that impressive. Ganassi beat champion OAK racing champion Muscle Milk etc. Not an easy task.

Agreed I see where this is going. I agree I don't mean it like that. Ganassi is top notch. It's just that the DP is such a badge job that it doesn't really make any sense that "Ford" gets credit for the win even though they provide an engine.

It can't shake the feeling but it's just different. To see Ford's name go up on the wall when they don't truly build racecars just bothers me.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Mar 2014, 02:56 (Ref:3380192)

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Originally Posted by Matt

See ya!

Enjoy your fake prototypes and your fake racing.

Holt · 16 Mar 2014, 02:57 (Ref:3380193)

I'm not ready to abandon the series because one badly timed caution spoiled a great race. The racing between the DPs and P2s was great all day long. Same with all the other classes. To be clear, if they dont shorten their caution periods I will not watch another race. It is repulsive. They have to know that. So I fully expect changes to come.

It seems some people are pulling the plug early because they have the WEC to run to. The WEC is all rosy right now but I dont think it will stay like that for long. The spending war combined with overly complex and more importantly expensive and irrelevant to road cars KERS technology will eventually drive off the factories leaving nothing.

I'll take my chances with Tudor

Birddog07 · 16 Mar 2014, 02:59 (Ref:3380194)

I'd think the victory banner is going to say Riley Ford, which is exactly what it is.

DistortedSmile · 16 Mar 2014, 02:59 (Ref:3380195)

That bs with the Porsche was preposterous.
Aside from that and the ridiculously long cautions, meh I guess it wasn't as bad as Daytona and it did have its fun bits when they were actually racing.
5/10.

Matt · 16 Mar 2014, 02:59 (Ref:3380196)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Enjoy your fake prototypes and your fake racing.

I'll enjoy prototypes and real racing, actually.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Mar 2014, 03:01 (Ref:3380198)

Holt, 2 races. They have to do something about the officiating and the driving standards too. If the cars were technically interesting it would make all the on track nonsense a little more palatable. This is really just Grand Am 2.0 which is sad because there could be so much potential.

Rodger Davies · 16 Mar 2014, 03:02 (Ref:3380200)

dude, please drop it - I was irritated by the length and frequency (not number, but full course yellows that would have been local anywhere else in the world) of FCYs, the wave-by procedures and, as a result, the winning car, but there was a lot to be grateful for and a good race overall, provided me with enjoyment and positives to take; parity between DPs and P2s was a highlight.

Whether it's Ford or Riley (the latter would be my preference) whose name goes up there, their car won.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Mar 2014, 03:02 (Ref:3380201)

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'll enjoy prototypes and real racing, actually.

I'm glad you're willing to give the WEC a chance!

Louie Loper · 16 Mar 2014, 03:03 (Ref:3380202)

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Originally Posted by Holt

I'm not ready to abandon the series because one badly timed caution spoiled a great race. The racing between the DPs and P2s was great all day long. Same with all the other classes. To be clear, if they dont shorten their caution periods I will not watch another race. It is repulsive. They have to know that. So I fully expect changes to come.

It seems some people are pulling the plug early because they have the WEC to run to. The WEC is all rosy right now but I dont think it will stay like that for long. The spending war combined with overly complex and more importantly expensive and irrelevant to road cars KERS technology will eventually drive off the factories leaving nothing.

I'll take my chances with Tudor

this, I can't ignore Road Atlanta, Sebring, Road America, we still have those

chernaudi · 16 Mar 2014, 03:03 (Ref:3380204)

And I've been just making the Twitter rounds, and Marshall Pruett isn't very happy about the length of that last yellow, and John Dagys is still confused about what IMSA may/may not do about the Porsche penalty deal.

Our very own Mike Hedlund did say in regards to IMSA's penalties that Paul Walter as a person is a decent enough guy, but it seems that either his hands are tied or he's unable/unwilling to delegate authority, or he's trying to pull a Brian Barnhart or a NASCAR and micromanage stuff. It's like the Porsche contact. Anyone knows that if the car's got a Michelin sticker on the roof it's gotta be one of the PMNA GTE/GTLM cars. After all, GTD is a Conti tire spec tire series.

Mike has said that in the past that if Paul doesn't see it, he can't call it. But IMSA screwed up with that one. I know that they have admitted to mistakes, but their clarifications and apologizes can only go so far if they keep making the same or similar mistakes over and over again.

Maybe the ACO and FIA need to send their race control over to a TUSCC race and show them how it's done, because WEC races rarely have FCY's of any kind and they tend to make better calls.

Only thing that they'd be screwed on, though, is that because of liability reasons and difficulty with getting track workers and marshals to sign waivers, we'd still need FCY's for quite a few things. NA tracks also usually don't have the run-off that most FIA grade 1 tracks do, which heavily populate the WEC, too. But FCY also needs to be streamlined a bit for minor on-track issues.

Matt · 16 Mar 2014, 03:03 (Ref:3380205)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

I'm glad you're willing to give the WEC a chance!

Been watching the WEC since it's inception.

Was talking about TUSC though.

Once again, it's really difficult to stay within the posting guidelines and make sure my posts are nice with some people here.

chernaudi · 16 Mar 2014, 03:08 (Ref:3380207)

One positive point, IMSA did get the BOP right between DP and LMP2 for the most part. Maybe if the DP's lose about 25 bhp things might be better, or if Prototype was open tire and the DP's and LMP2s can have tires that suit their cars strengths and weaknesses, that might help.

But the DPs once the track rubbered in couldn't run away from the LMP2 cars in terms of lap time. The one big plus from Sebring this year.

Dodge_Swinger · 16 Mar 2014, 03:09 (Ref:3380209)

People or organizations learn when they are open to learning. IMSA isn't open to learning anything about caution periods or wave arounds. Even the announcers praise the wave around rule for artificially keeping everyone on the lead lap. One of them said you could have a problem early and be a lap down in the first hour. I am way past the DP vs. P2 argument. These are the cars that are in the series and I can deal with that. Endless BS cautions and endless wave arounds penalize teams that work the hardest and reward teams that just hang around. It was an orchestrated finish.

And there is no excuse for the incompetence that penalized AJR. If you can't read a Michelin logo on a car, you have no business officiating a race. That was totall incompetence coupled with NASCAR arrogance. Would not be surprised if Job gets fined for "approaching The Sacred Tower Of Antioch" to plead his case, or even worse, to complain about it on camera.

chernaudi · 16 Mar 2014, 03:12 (Ref:3380211)

As I've said several times before, if you don't like how TUSCC has done things and you wanna stay a sportscar fan, there's the WEC. And if you don't like the WEC and you're not a GT-only guy, then you're pretty much screwed

BullMan · 16 Mar 2014, 03:12 (Ref:3380212)

I'd like to see Paul Walter fired. He's horrific.

chernaudi · 16 Mar 2014, 03:22 (Ref:3380216)

It's like what Mike said about him. Decent guy, but seems over his head or is a micro-manager/control freak.

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