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11 Nov 2010, 12:28 (Ref:2788506) | #101 | |
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Petit Le Mans just proved that ALMS can get very decent grids without ILMC. There really weren't that many local competitors at Okayama and Zhuhai.
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Yes, but think it the other way round: ALMS team sponsors enjoyed getting international exposure for two races. Now there would be only one, and ALMS teams would take a hit from that.
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11 Nov 2010, 13:22 (Ref:2788548) | #103 | |
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At the moment ILMC gets no extra media exposure anyway (even if ACO thinks otherwise). Petit was mainly marketed as an ALMS event, and that it was. There might be slightly better "global" TV package next year, yes, but I doubt ILMC grabs headlines any time soon.
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11 Nov 2010, 14:04 (Ref:2788569) | #105 | ||
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Not locking in PLM (while it's understood there are scheduling issues) is hard to fathom. Having it as a TBD along with an Asian race that may or may not happen is a clear showing of incompetency.
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11 Nov 2010, 18:32 (Ref:2788727) | #106 | |
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Autosport say PLM should be confirmed in early December once the China race is sorted.
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16 Nov 2010, 06:51 (Ref:2791440) | #107 | ||
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The ILMC in itself wont make much difference to PLM but the presence of the manufacturers does- ie Audi, Peugeot and next year Aston Martin. I would expect Audi and AM to apply as much pressure as possible to get PLM onto the ILMC calender and all concerned would be stupid if they didnt reach a deal.
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16 Nov 2010, 14:33 (Ref:2791629) | #109 | |
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Well that hasn't always been the case over the past few years has it. Teams have opted to run the race because it is a marquee event. Without an ILMC date it will be the scheduling that would prevent the big boys being there I'd imagine.
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16 Nov 2010, 16:57 (Ref:2791704) | #110 | ||
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Indeed PLM proved for several years it is as big a race by itself to attract big manufacturers, independently of any championship (be it ALMS or LMIC).
It should be part of the LMIC though, not only because it's one of the top three "classics", but also because there's a risk manufacturer's official budget are for just LM24 & LMIC licensed races. In the end wathever Quesnel or Ulrich or Richards etc thinks, it's the respective CEO of the brand who decides where they race. I believe, since they all need to keep driver rotation as high as possible, there's no doubt teams would favor the 10 hours at Road Atlanta rather than 6 hours anywhere else, regardless of the quality of the layout (which would still favor PLM anyway). Though, both Audi & Peugeot being very keen to race in China for marketing purpose, the question is how much are they ready to sacrifice for that? |
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16 Nov 2010, 17:44 (Ref:2791730) | #111 | ||
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Make no mistake, the 'scheduling problems' line is rubbish - same as with the le mans test day.
This took me less than 5 minutes to work out: Feb*27*ILMC / ALMS Sebring Mar 6 13 ALMS 20 27 LMS Apr 3 10 ALMS 17 24 LMS May 1 8*ALMS 15 22 ILMC / LMS Spa 29 Jun 5 Le mans Test 12 IMSA special event 19 ILMC Le Mans 26 Jul 3 10 ALMS 17 24 ALMS 31 Aug 7 LMS 14 21 ALMS 28 Sep 4 ALMS 11 18 ILMC / LMS Silverstone 25 Oct 2 ALMS 9 16 ILMC / ALMS Petit Le Mans 23 30 AsLMS Nov 6 13 AsLMS 20* 27 ILMC / AsLMS Fuji 10 ALMS rounds (+ a local event) 6 LMS rounds 3 Asian rounds Always at least a fortnight between LM type races, the 24 itself is at least 3 weeks away from any race relevant to the entries. Now think that at least 2 of these weekends won't happen in the real world anyway & it become obvious that you can schedule 2011 for everyone but media deals (money), ego & power are as usual going to get in the way |
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16 Nov 2010, 19:25 (Ref:2791779) | #112 | |
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I know what you're saying but a fortnight isn't a huge amount of time when you consider the cars have to be sent back to base, resorted, packed up and sent off. They cant just get there the day of the race either but I know you know that. Depends entirely how they opt to send them but it's not easy. And that doesn't even take into account repairing damage.
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I agree that it hasn't been that way in the past. Without being an ILMC race, it won't quite be the marquee event it was. Manufacturers will approve budgets for LM and ILMC... whether they'd approve a one off is questionable. You also mentioned scheduling. Cars arrive over a week in advance of PLM, so ILMC entries would need no European events, at least two weeks. Courageous... your schedule is wrong for this year, or was it just theoretical? If theoretical, it is easy to create a schedule that works for all, if that is your goal. PLM is Oct 1st. Pretty tight against Silverstone, but it could work. |
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In other news it looks like Team Bruichladdich could be at Sebring. The stumbling block? Scheduling... http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-5674.html |
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It becomes a good deal more complicated as soon as you start to schedule around F1 (steals TV-audience), DTM (Audi!) and WTCC (Eurosport!)... and suddenly you have more races then suitable weekends.
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No matter what the TV package ends up being, I don't believe that participation at PLM is based upon the TV. The ratings are so poor, that no manufacturer would justify such an expense whether they stay on Speed, or move to whatever has been rumoured. |
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17 Nov 2010, 14:02 (Ref:2792114) | #118 | ||
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According to Pescarolo 2011 could be the last year for the LMS, in it's current form at least.
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18 Nov 2010, 12:04 (Ref:2792570) | #119 | |
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Sports-carracing.net report ILMC.
Fuji and Petit Le Mans dropped out of the calendar of ILMC. They reported that this depended on the intention of "a certain" manufacturer. They are not clarifying the manufacturer. However, they reported that the manufacturer was neither AUDI, BMW nor Porsche. The manufacturer(yes, it's Peugeot) seems to want to race in not Japan and the United States but China. http://www.sports-carracing.net/201011news.htm |
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18 Nov 2010, 13:39 (Ref:2792620) | #121 | ||
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Peugeot don't sell many cars in Japan or the US. They sell bucketloads in China.
Now where will you spend your money...? I suspect that is the be all and end all. No other agenda, merely where marketing can see a return. |
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18 Nov 2010, 13:55 (Ref:2792633) | #123 | ||
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Let's not jump the gun!
We only have one source currently! |
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Yet Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin, Corvette, you know basically every other manufacturer currently Involved in the sport do. So, to rule out two markets based on One manufacturer is crap. That is to say, since this has yet to be proven true and is merely rumor, I guess we will wait and see.
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18 Nov 2010, 14:19 (Ref:2792644) | #125 | ||
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The ACO are probably the best example of nationalistic favouritism, so it at least sounds a plausible reason.
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