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The records for the company at the time show that they had an average weekly staff count of: 41 in 1983 (34 design and manufacturing and 7 office) 38 in 1984 (31 design and manufacturing and 7 office) 41 in 1985 (33 design and manufacturing and 8 office) |
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Your figures would mean an average stipend of £2,500. Doesn't seem right either. Last edited by peebee2; 12 Jan 2023 at 08:55. |
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The company recorded an average weekly number of employees of 34 for 1984 with an annual salary of just over £404k. That makes the average salary at Tyrrell to be just under £12k (or £4k above the national average). How many of the staff were on stipendiary terms? |
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To round out the nostalgia section,some of those Tyrrell people at the track might have just been the type of weekend warriors that crop up in National classes these days-and then ,come to that.In the eighties,money was a lot more thinly spread than since and I knew one F1 fabricator who was startled to find that his kids were eligible for free school meals when they went to the village school.Thanks in part to Bernie,the situation improved a couple of years later.
to return to the subject under discussion,the notion of a franchise system might be contained in the Concorde agreement,but we aren't too likely to get a look at that.My earlier point about Andretti's entry and anti trust legislation doesn't seem to have attracted informed comment from those who live in the land of Liberty and Andretti. |
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I certainly don't live or hail from the Land of the Free, however I wonder whether an American court would be able to hear such a lawsuit as it is the FIA that issues F1 licences (or whatever) to the teams and the FIA are firmly entrenched and based in the EU. And do not forget that the EU commissioners have already looked into the FIA and FOM relationship, which was the reason that Mosley "sold" the commercial arm, i.e. FOM, to Mr E many years ago. And that appears to have satisfied the EU. |
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Since we're playing "when I rule the world" fantasy, I always figured the best way to deal with it is to kill three birds with one stone
get more new drivers seen, opening up for more teams & make F2 interesting beef up Formula 2 regs so they are a lot closer to F1 open it to multi chassis (maybe like Le Mans P2 - 4 chassis cost capped & equalized) F2 sprint race top 6 qualify for the next Grand Prix proper Any points scoring team at the end of the season is permitted to enter F1 proper (defer 1 year so they can build themselves up) Of course, none of these ideas resolve the issue of existing teams not wanting to share their cake & I don't think anything will other than telling them to suck it up |
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'This agreement is governed by, and shall be interpreted and construed in accordance with, the laws of England.' and 'Arbitration will take place in Lausanne (Switzerland)' If the matter is taken to the US legal system, it will definitely be interesting to see how the existing teams react to any breach of the agreement if the governing law of the agreement is still in Europe. |
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Since when has Paris been in Switzerland? Although it has an office in Geneva, the FIA's head office is in Paris, but they use the sports' arbitration service when required which is, I think, in Switzerland. One must ask whether you get a cheap thrill from nit-picking, because you seem to thrive on it? And in answer to you previous jibe, I may be old but I'm not senile yet, thank goodness. I am more than aware that Autosport and Motorsport.com and now owned by the same company. However, as Autosport.com places a limit on how many views one can make, unless one subscribes to it, whilst Motorsport.com doesn't, I mentioned both sites. |
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I wonder if there is a reason why it is called The Concorde Agreement?
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There’s reasons why, like many sports, they choose to complete their legalities in Switzerland and not, in this case, France. Nit-picking? You were the one who said the legal process is in the EU when it very deliberately isn’t. |
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The ICC has been located in Paris since 1927 and the 1997 agreement detailed that disputes would be settled by the ICC. Switzerland was only relevant for arbitration of decisions given in accordance with the Sporting Code. What leads you to think that they have changed this legal construct for later agreements? |
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If you bothered to read the FIA's own information about their Tribunals (T) and Appeals (A), you will find that a) all proceedings about Ts and As will take place in Paris, or if elsewhere will be considered to have taken place in Paris (Article 14.1 and Article 14.2) and the applicable law is French (Article 14.4). |
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To be ultra pedantic for you, England has never been a member country of the EU! |
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You seem to have trouble reading! Since when is French law anything to to with Switzerland, which, as you pointed out earlier, is not in the EU? And as I wrote, the FIA's own PDF states the courts are subject to French law; there is no mention whatsoever of Swiss law. |
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Not sure what relevance US courts may have over the various F1 agreements/contracts, Mike. If they (US courts) had any significant influence how come NASCAR gets away with their situation? |
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Is that a statement of fact - or an assumption?
If factual, what was the reason for BCE wanting the Concorde Agreement(s) to be governed by the laws of England? And which parties would have wanted later Agreements to be governed by laws elsewhere? FIA is HQ'd in Paris, F1 Gp is HQ'd in London, Liberty Media is HQ'd in Colorado, FOTA is disbanded. Why do you keep referring back to Switzerland as an assumed location for the legal governance of the Concorde Agreement? |
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imo its 100% bad for fans. not hard to imagine a scenario where Ferrari, or Ham, or Max or one of the actual main features get knocked out of pre qualifying because of a change in the weather or some minor infraction to the pre qualifying rules or somepay driver spins out or because several of the new tracks cant even accommodate 20 cars on track at the same time during quali. and while that may make for great television it would certainly leave a lot of people who paid a lot of money to be there to see their favorites in action and in person. honestly dont even want to get into the engine and part use rules for those that dont compete in every race...or those that just show up explicitly for one race with no concern about lifetime usage of that PU. |
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admitmittely this reason resonates with me as a reason for more entries....but
undoubtedly though, any new entry will have to rely of pay drivers in the beginning at least. and while there is a huge range of talent among the pay drivers are more pay drivers on the grid really the best thing for the sport? how many sessions have been stopped early or SC deployed because either Latifi this season or Mazepan last season spin out pretty much every time they are on track? more teams just means more rich kids with questionable skill and that just means more disruption to the racing. personal preference would be to continue enabling the existing teams to move away from the necessity of prioritizing money over talent...to me thats professional sports. |
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