Silly Season 2008 Thread :) - Page 5

Gerben24 · 29 Jun 2007, 08:51 (Ref:1949524)

You mean Stoner wouldn't be able to win on a Yamaha!

Pro Racer · 29 Jun 2007, 09:05 (Ref:1949532)

why didn't Rossi want Stoner?

chunder · 29 Jun 2007, 11:17 (Ref:1949608)

Stoner whowed very little of this kind of form last year on teh LCR bike, yes he was quick but he was always falling off. Now you either carry on falling off as guys like Checa, De Puniet have done, or you find out why, and reform your riding.
Casey has managed to become more settled marrying his simply lovely wife and also got into a team that cater for him and realise what he can offer, its just come together much like it did for Kenny in 2000 on Suzuki, the last time someone really came from nowhere and upset the applecart.

Lets hope that people dont accuse Stoner of being lucky for the rest of his career if he wins the title then struggles a bit for a few years after as Kenny did. Remember Schwantz only won it oncem and only then really coz Rainey crashed. And do people say Kevin was lucky?

I admit Roberts didnt win many races but he still rode that thing to its limit

jhansen · 29 Jun 2007, 15:46 (Ref:1949820)

I don't think you can look past the Ducati though. For whatever reason, Stoner just gells with that bike. Last year it was clear he was quick, but he couldn't get on with the Honda like Melandri, Pedrosa and Hayden could. The Honda is pathetic this year so far, so it was good for him to step free of HRC. Now he has a good family situation, a team that is behind him, and a great bike. I give Stoner a lot of credit because he's the one riding. But I think a lot of credit is due to Ducati and Bridgestone as well.

Pro Racer · 29 Jun 2007, 16:48 (Ref:1949860)

definatly right, hopefully he dosn't have a child soon and have happen to him whats happened to Loris this year after becoming a dad.

racer69 · 30 Jun 2007, 06:03 (Ref:1950217)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

definatly right, hopefully he dosn't have a child soon and have happen to him whats happened to Loris this year after becoming a dad.

By the same token Wayne Rainey was a father yet that didn't slow him down at all.

Schummy · 30 Jun 2007, 06:41 (Ref:1950227)

And Poggiali (hopefully) was not a father and however slowed down radically.

chunder · 1 Jul 2007, 15:43 (Ref:1951462)

I ahve never been able to understand what happened to Podge.
Was such a talanted kid on 125 and was able to follow what Vale did in both classes.
Seems he just lost an edge somewhere, how does a rider lose that much speed so quick unless they have a crash or something?

Schummy · 1 Jul 2007, 16:23 (Ref:1951506)

Poggy is an enigma. The same for Alzamora, seriously good (particularly in braking zones) and then hopeless.

Many years earlier Miralles was another promising rider gone to nothing: in 1988 he debuts in 125cc (an excelent 4th final position!), then in 1989 he ends 8th, 1990 13th, 1991 27th. Then in 1992 he disappears, but in 1993 he tries again (at not avail, 32th). Astonishing! The perfect backward career!

These rare cases are a mystery. What causes the rapid losing of "talent"? Psychological reasons, maybe physical reasons (small unknown seizures,...), who knows.

chunder · 1 Jul 2007, 17:11 (Ref:1951544)

I think Alzamora was different, but like Aspar, he was only ever really good on a 125.
There are riders who ahve never really shone on different bikes, Haru Aoki was one who was utterly dominant on a 125 but hopeless on anything else.

bestfit · 1 Jul 2007, 18:02 (Ref:1951585)

Arnaud Vincent was another rider who lost the plot.
In fact after winning the 125 title in 2002, he never again took another win or even a podium in 125's or 250's.

Schummy · 1 Jul 2007, 18:16 (Ref:1951610)

Yes, Vincent was another of "those" people.

Alzamora's case was not he was bad in 250cc (in fact he was not so bad there, just mediocre

), but he was astoundingly bad in some seasons in 125cc(!). The year before his title he was horrendous, and his last season was terrible. I don't know the details but he was a puzzling case for his teams. Apparently he was a person with a very poor "mind management" for racing.

bestfit · 1 Jul 2007, 19:28 (Ref:1951695)

Even the year he won the 125cc title (1999) his performance wasn't spectacular. He didn't win a single race. (similar to Andrew Pitt when he won the Supersport title)

chunder · 1 Jul 2007, 22:49 (Ref:1951896)

Again though with both Vincent and Alzamora they were both there, would anyone decry Ui a world title?
Loca won pretty well but Ui was winning more races.
Alzamora won two races the next year and Vincent went to KTM when they were useless, if he stayed at Aprilia I am sure he would ahve won well again, it was his fault really for taking the money and running.
Emilio was always decent, and took his chance well, remember how nasty Melandri was in the Argentina race trying to take him out.

Same could be said of Perugini, awesome 125 rider.

L34 · 2 Jul 2007, 00:57 (Ref:1951932)

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Originally Posted by jhansen

I don't think you can look past the Ducati though. For whatever reason, Stoner just gells with that bike. Last year it was clear he was quick, but he couldn't get on with the Honda like Melandri, Pedrosa and Hayden could. The Honda is pathetic this year so far, so it was good for him to step free of HRC. Now he has a good family situation, a team that is behind him, and a great bike. I give Stoner a lot of credit because he's the one riding. But I think a lot of credit is due to Ducati and Bridgestone as well.

Mate I think you are spot on. Casey is doing a good job, everything has come together at the right time. Bike, tyres and rider. I am not sure what is going on with Loris, but I think the efforts of Baros on the Ducati are pretty good this year as well, not as good as Stoner but he is on a second tier bike and on bridgestones as well.

I am a huge CV fan, and I rate him as a rider, but I also think the Bridgestones have really helped the Suzuki's this year as well.

I think last weekend showed if Rossi and Stoner were on the same bike and tyres, Rossi would still rule supreme.

Pro Racer · 2 Jul 2007, 03:40 (Ref:1951962)

i agree with you, and your point on Chris is spot on i just think he hasn't quite geled with the bike and/or tyres in the dry especially the front.

Rossi would beat anyone on the same bike on this planet and probably others as well (if life forms do exist on other plannets).

racer69 · 2 Jul 2007, 10:09 (Ref:1952127)

All this talk about the likes of Ui and Alzamora has lead me to think about the continuing demise these days of the smaller class specialists (due to the push these days to make MotoGP the be all and end all, rather than just the top class).

Time was when guys made a career out of racing in the 125cc or 250cc classes.....

Pro Racer · 2 Jul 2007, 10:37 (Ref:1952147)

Westy impressed on the weekend so fingers crossed he keeps this up and he might keep the ride next year.

http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/moto...id=3&section=1

Schummy · 2 Jul 2007, 11:33 (Ref:1952202)

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Originally Posted by chunder

Emilio was always decent, and took his chance well, remember how nasty Melandri was in the Argentina race trying to take him out.

Absolutely Ok with that. Luckily Marco has evolved in a positive way personally speaking.

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Originally Posted by racer69

All this talk about the likes of Ui and Alzamora has lead me to think about the continuing demise these days of the smaller class specialists (due to the push these days to make MotoGP the be all and end all, rather than just the top class).

Time was when guys made a career out of racing in the 125cc or 250cc classes.....

I agree wholeheartedly. One of the few things I don't like about FIM/Dorna is the reduction of smaller class to a sort of junior/feeder formula to the big class.

Riding a small bike is an art in itself. It is not easier or more difficult than a big bike. I compare it with other sports: 100 meters are not a feeder for 1500m in athletics, or 100m is not "easier" to master than marathon. Again, a middle weight box match is not a lesser affair than heavyweights.

Now 125cc is not a junior class, it is a "child class"

. Let's give credit to old good riders in 125cc and the level will rise.

Now, I understand MotoGP is physically dangerous, so I understand there is partially a factor of feeder in smaller, safer, bikes. But, please, don't put any age limit in a world class championship as 125cc!

Hazza · 2 Jul 2007, 13:39 (Ref:1952322)

Plus, 125s, Machinery counts for a little less, so good older riders were sought after by factories...

Schummy · 2 Jul 2007, 14:27 (Ref:1952373)

(I'm on a roll)

jhansen · 2 Jul 2007, 14:55 (Ref:1952417)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

(if life forms do exist on other plannets).

Surely BOTTY was created on another planet?

On a related note, Pedrosa is expected to announce an extension with Honda in Germany.

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~6~id~150551.htm

Pro Racer · 3 Jul 2007, 02:29 (Ref:1952987)

ok then what was his dummy spit about leaving for? maybe to get a few extra $$$.

FPV GTHO · 3 Jul 2007, 06:51 (Ref:1953060)

Or to simply put pressure on Honda with the developments.

Pro Racer · 3 Jul 2007, 08:43 (Ref:1953148)

having an attitude didn't help Melandri get developments early on, and by the looks of things he still hasn't got them.

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