|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
18 Apr 2017, 08:05 (Ref:3727493) | #101 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,725
|
Couple of thoughts:
Could you run two safetycars at Bathurst like Le Mans with te second taking off from pit exit when the first was at Reid Park? Hard on those who run them but the invitational class is probably not required any more. Bathurst has a tradition of recovering cars back to the pits or Park ferme. How much safety car time would be saved if recovery was only to the nearest safe parking spot? Wasn't there but it seems that the original Bathurst 500 has risen again. |
||
__________________
Geting old is mandatory, acting old is optional. |
18 Apr 2017, 08:20 (Ref:3727496) | #102 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,193
|
Ah this has a familiar ring to it.
The old Bathurst 500/1000, had the same grids 64 entry's in 69 gradually whittled down over the years Could it be the 6 will go the same as the 12 and the 1000? Open to professional cars / teams only? Or does Mr O'brien , and Bathurst Council allow another race that allows Motorsport enthusiast the opportunity to race on the mount? |
||
|
18 Apr 2017, 09:11 (Ref:3727506) | #103 | |
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 407
|
||
|
18 Apr 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3727509) | #104 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,339
|
Quote:
The spot where the second pace car parked is still there up the top. |
||
|
18 Apr 2017, 11:50 (Ref:3727538) | #105 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1
|
Quote:
That's pretty much it. They are fundamentally a standard vehicle prepared for circuit use. Air con may be removed, and all the safety equipment and fuel cell must be added of course. http://bathurst6hour.com.au/sites/de...-3E-2017-1.pdf Having read the Hyundai Excel series regulations, the modifications allowed there are very similar, and the Excels should be eligible regardless of being invited. Toyota 86 Series cars however would NOT be eligible as those cars run an aftermarket header. |
||
|
18 Apr 2017, 21:54 (Ref:3727645) | #106 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,454
|
As an alternative to Safety Cars, for the Silverstone 24hrs we used the Dutch Code 60 system which is extremely effective, and for WEC we had FCY which is effectively code 80 (80kph). In fact when they upgraded the FCY to SC it was arguably less safe as everyone speeded up to try to catch the SC.
As I say, both systems work remarkably well and help the teams clear up more quickly and effectively. |
||
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other. |
18 Apr 2017, 22:08 (Ref:3727646) | #107 | |
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 407
|
||
|
18 Apr 2017, 22:21 (Ref:3727648) | #108 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,396
|
86 series runs a larger brake package, too.
Headers are no big deal on the 86. 10min job to swap them back. |
|
|
18 Apr 2017, 22:24 (Ref:3727649) | #109 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,725
|
Quote:
I wonder if the code systems suit Bathurst which has many blind sectors, tight distances between fences, and of course major changes in elevation. With that in mind does your experience indicate a preference for a constant flow of slower cars or a couple of bunched up groups while cleaning up or loading cars? Also what do you think of the Bathurst preference for returning wrecks to the pits on a flat top? |
|||
__________________
Geting old is mandatory, acting old is optional. |
18 Apr 2017, 22:32 (Ref:3727651) | #110 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,454
|
I have to say I was sceptical of the Code 60 before I saw it in action, but I'm converted. Everyone moving at a constant slow speed is much easier to deal with. They're slowed within a few seconds meaning you can get on with it quicker and there's no problem with cars pitting and trying to catch up suddenly arriving at race pace.
No reason why it wouldn't work at Bathurst just the same. You can put a marshal on point duty ahead of the clear up to direct the cars to the side as required. 60kph is basically road speed so no different from doing the same as normal road traffic. Returning on a flat top is fine. I don't know Bathurst (yet!) but I suspect there are no internal roads so not much alternative. |
||
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other. |
18 Apr 2017, 23:27 (Ref:3727666) | #111 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,396
|
They attempted to trial a speed limter for safety car situations in Supercars a couple of years ago, but I believe there may have been some technical issues with it, and how it impacted the engine itself due to the mapping required in the ECU.
CAMS should at least trial it here, and go from there. |
|
|
19 Apr 2017, 08:49 (Ref:3727702) | #112 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,339
|
I wouldn't think a Code 60 would work across the top of the mountain for a crash where a truck is required to drag a car up as it would block most of the track and they usually wait for the gap in the train to do it.
For cars bogged in the sand at the Chase or Murrays or Hell, or a car in the sand at McPhillamy, or a broken down car that has pulled off line but still in a dangerous place, Code 60 type Virtual Safety Cars will be perfect. Only problem with the system is that it doesn't artificially close 2nd place back up to the race leader. How will the fans cope with that? |
|
|
19 Apr 2017, 09:00 (Ref:3727705) | #113 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,396
|
How will the commentators cope?
|
|
|
19 Apr 2017, 09:28 (Ref:3727709) | #114 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,279
|
Just a quick summation of the event from a support category competitor's point of view. I loved it, it was well run, ran on time, the organisers/marshalls and paddock staff were great, no little Hitlers there. The crowd on the Friday and Saturday was bigger than I'd expected for such a young event. I'd love to do it again.
Well done to the Dude and Luke Searle on their win. |
||
__________________
"The past is knowledge, the present our mistake, the future we always leave too late" Paul Weller (The Style Coulcil) |
19 Apr 2017, 09:53 (Ref:3727714) | #115 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,644
|
Quote:
Code 60 wouldn't have helped with the oil cleanup after the Excel went pop. Workers were all over the track trying to clean, so the bunching of the field under SC was vital. I was at Skyline on the Sunday, and the speed that many of the cars were carrying under SC conditions was verging (and in some cases dancing right over) the ridiculous. When you have a driver locking both fronts because they have approached a DWY sector that happens to be blind, waaaaaay too fast, you need to look at the penalties that are available and think about enforcing them. Also, as a (now) Bathurst regular, that was a cool race. The 86's were very, very quick through the Esses, one was even hounding Mostert's Focus down the hill at one point. I'll definitely be back. |
|||
__________________
Supercars isn't the sport. The sport is motor racing. |
22 Apr 2017, 13:23 (Ref:3728424) | #116 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,454
|
The odd discovery at the WEC was that it was less safe under SC than FCY, due to cars running at pace trying to catch the pack. With all cars running at road speed, it's easy to control where they go, leaving the track workers to do their jobs safely. And that's coming from someone who was extremely sceptical of it before I saw it in use.
|
||
__________________
Bill Bryson: It is no longer permitted to be stupid and slow. You must choose one or the other. |
22 Apr 2017, 21:51 (Ref:3728461) | #117 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,882
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
"Your biggest auto race may one day become a Camaro playground", Chris Economaki, Bathurst 1979 |
23 Apr 2017, 04:11 (Ref:3728503) | #118 | ||
Race Official
1% Club
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 47,174
|
Highlights on SBS right now
|
||
__________________
Go woke, Go broke… Here’s hoping a random universe works out in your favour… The meaning of life… ENJOYING THE PASSAGE OF TIME! #CANCERSUCKS |
6 May 2017, 08:31 (Ref:3731421) | #119 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 16,040
|
highlights on fox now
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
2017 Liqui Moly Bathurst 12 hour: Feb 3-5 | Reload | Sportscar & GT Racing | 1581 | 16 Feb 2017 02:36 |
2017 Bathurst 12 hour fans dinner. | Reload | Sportscar & GT Racing | 16 | 10 Jan 2017 03:30 |
B-TEC Development Series News & Rumors 2016 | Racing Harz | Touring Car Racing | 94 | 9 Mar 2016 21:22 |
New GM/Opel/Vaux Eco-tec engine? | kmchow | Road Car Forum | 8 | 18 Dec 2002 00:46 |