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eelboi · 14 Nov 2007, 06:43 (Ref:2067085)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

A Townsville race? Thats it? How lame, I thought it'd be bigger than that.

if you are from N.Q. you would probably be pretty happy. i'm no fan of the street tracks, but it is another track and another event in aus, and they should get a full house crowd. it will be interesting to see the track layout. lets hope the organisers can be a bit creative.

NAC · 14 Nov 2007, 07:07 (Ref:2067093)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

- V8Supercars to expand to 16 rounds in 2009, with a trip to Townsville on the new calendar

See I told you the Powder Room knew what was going on. Well done and thanks for sharing

I have to say well done for Townsville, apart from that phhhhhhhhh (just how do you spell that anyway, you know that sort of gone limp sound)

Can

someone

please

wake me when VESA have something to tell that matches the hype

**GTRMagic** · 14 Nov 2007, 07:26 (Ref:2067098)

I take the view that the $10m of federal government funding wasnt going to be spent on motorsport at all... and that TC seems to have lasooed it for that purpose is actually of benefit to Townsville... and the series...

I am not sure there was too much hype before the announcement, only a small note in MeN suggesting VESA had something to say today... which they did... with Mr Howard's help

pete55 · 14 Nov 2007, 07:55 (Ref:2067104)

Most disappointing announcement from VESA since the news that TC had not gone. I find that crowd more disgusting every day.

peckstar · 14 Nov 2007, 07:58 (Ref:2067106)

how exciting.

finally another event for the fans instead of that boring Eastern Creek place

and even better it upsets the regular TC bashers.

Great for FNQ, great for v8 supercars, is it too early to book tickets

grange54 · 14 Nov 2007, 08:25 (Ref:2067114)

Well that was worth waiting for, I may have missed something, TC has made the announcement with the help of our current Prime Minister.
Now lets see what has been contributed, $10m Federal Gov, $10m Qld Gov, $22m (correct me if i'm wrong) private enterprise.
TC nil??. Oh my mistake, TC gets a contract of at least $1m plus GST per annum for 5 years with say a 15% rise per year, lets add in 10000 free tickets for VE$A to sell to their corporate clients, chuck in some corporate hospitality tickets, say 500. Yep, that will do for TC's contribution.
Good result for the race fans of FNQ and the people of Townsville, could grow into another Clipsal, hopefully not at the expence of Clipsal or any of the real race circuits onthe current calender.
Grass roots racing starts on permanent race circuits and without these venues to deliver motor sport, local stars will not be born. Without the super taxi circus on their circuits, development of facilities will suffer and some circuits will close the gates.

**GTRMagic** · 14 Nov 2007, 08:36 (Ref:2067121)

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Originally Posted by grange54

Well that was worth waiting for, I may have missed something, TC has made the announcement with the help of our current Prime Minister.
Now lets see what has been contributed, $10m Federal Gov, $10m Qld Gov, $22m (correct me if i'm wrong) private enterprise.
TC nil??. Oh my mistake, TC gets a contract of at least $1m plus GST per annum for 5 years with say a 15% rise per year, lets add in 10000 free tickets for VE$A to sell to their corporate clients, chuck in some corporate hospitality tickets, say 500. Yep, that will do for TC's contribution.
Good result for the race fans of FNQ and the people of Townsville, could grow into another Clipsal, hopefully not at the expence of Clipsal or any of the real race circuits onthe current calender.
Grass roots racing starts on permanent race circuits and without these venues to deliver motor sport, local stars will not be born. Without the super taxi circus on their circuits, development of facilities will suffer and some circuits will close the gates.

You forgot the part where VESA is the category manager for series other than V8Supercars... oh, thats right.. they arent....

peckstar · 14 Nov 2007, 08:46 (Ref:2067123)

gee Grange TC wishes V8SA was getting paid 4 million dollars to go to townsville, but they wont be, so cleary he wont be earning 1 million dollars.

v8 supercars dont fit on grassroots racing tracks and really grass roots racing tracks are not long enough either. I doubt they would even get around some of the corners. I took my son grass roots racing just last weekend (he is 3) he loved the double kart at our local grass roots track

Matthew Ronke · 14 Nov 2007, 10:55 (Ref:2067181)

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Earlier today, Mr Howard turned his focus to the motor racing industry by announcing a $10 million dollar promise to build a V8 supercar workshop in Townsville.

A $10 Million V8 Supercar workshop? Interesting summation.

Uncle Cranker · 14 Nov 2007, 11:49 (Ref:2067213)

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Originally Posted by Matthew Ronke

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A $10 Million V8 Supercar workshop? Interesting summation.

Despite recent events, I'd like to refute the rumour that Martin Doxey Racing is re-locating to Townsville.....

Phase3 · 14 Nov 2007, 12:15 (Ref:2067236)

How boringly predictable, an anouncement about nothing.......

Trevor · 14 Nov 2007, 19:23 (Ref:2067527)

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Originally Posted by grange54

Well that was worth waiting for, I may have missed something, TC has made the announcement with the help of our current Prime Minister.

Now lets see what has been contributed, $10m Federal Gov, $10m Qld Gov, $22m (correct me if i'm wrong) private enterprise.
TC nil??. Oh my mistake, TC gets a contract of at least $1m plus GST per annum for 5 years with say a 15% rise per year, lets add in 10000 free tickets for VE$A to sell to their corporate clients, chuck in some corporate hospitality tickets, say 500. Yep, that will do for TC's contribution.
Good result for the race fans of FNQ and the people of Townsville, could grow into another Clipsal, hopefully not at the expence of Clipsal or any of the real race circuits onthe current calender.

Grass roots racing starts on permanent race circuits and without these venues to deliver motor sport, local stars will not be born. Without the super taxi circus on their circuits, development of facilities will suffer and some circuits will close the gates.

Well said Grange54

pete55 · 14 Nov 2007, 19:31 (Ref:2067533)

I wonder if there would be any motorsport in the Northern Territory if Hidden Valley was not there. An are such as Townsville and the whole north of the state need a permanent facitlity to build a motorsport industry.

Trevor · 14 Nov 2007, 19:41 (Ref:2067538)

The same could be said for Adelaide and Clipsal

mmciau · 14 Nov 2007, 19:42 (Ref:2067539)

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Originally Posted by pete55

I wonder if there would be any motorsport in the Northern Territory if Hidden Valley was not there. An are such as Townsville and the whole north of the state need a permanent facitlity to build a motorsport industry.

I don't think this is TC's intention. He seems only interested in having a temporary and or 'moving" facility to promote his circus.

The States carry the infrastructure costs and he skims all the cream with 'little corporate risk"

Any thoughts of a permanent facility are not on the agenda as such a permanent facility leaves the door open for any other promoter to get a leg in!!

Mike

MarkInTheStands · 14 Nov 2007, 20:42 (Ref:2067568)

Forgive me if I am wrong here, but . . .

Temporary Circuit with Permanent Pit Facilities / Tech Garages / Hospitality Training Faculties = $68 Million.

What sort of permanent Race Track are you going to buy for that? You would need at least Double that for a half decent Permanent Facility. So What do you do? You hold Motor sport events at temporary Circuits, Build up the profile of the Sport and who know what happens in 5 years or so if it is successful. They might be able to wrangle the same people into tipping more money into a permanent Race Track.

Chucky · 14 Nov 2007, 20:59 (Ref:2067582)

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Originally Posted by Exceler8

So One License Goes To Andrew Thompson and the Other to Tony D'AlBerto?

Or both go to Adelaide.

Muznik · 14 Nov 2007, 23:32 (Ref:2067665)

So will this be at the expense of the QLD Raceway round?

Used Car · 14 Nov 2007, 23:50 (Ref:2067671)

I hope so. QLD Raceway is a dustbowl dump

RotorFan · 15 Nov 2007, 01:01 (Ref:2067707)

Only exciting thing about it to me is that it will be a new track. I don't live in QLD and I don't like street tracks that much (excepting for e.g. Pau, Macau), thats why I don't think its that fantastic.

Alan52 · 15 Nov 2007, 02:55 (Ref:2067725)

[quote=MarkInTheStands]Forgive me if I am wrong here, but . . .

Temporary Circuit with Permanent Pit Facilities / Tech Garages / Hospitality Training Faculties = $68 Million.

What sort of permanent Race Track are you going to buy for that? Add in the annual put up/pull down cost of $6-8 mill annually (based on Adelaide figures) for 5 years and you have around $100 mill.Given the relatively cheaper cost of land in NQ you could build a fantastic permanent circuit.Even the $68 mill would get you something better than Hidden Valley.This folly coming in the middle of pork barreling season(aka the election) is a monument to the short sightedness of politicians.

Crash Test · 15 Nov 2007, 03:04 (Ref:2067726)

Didn't Queensland Raceway cost $10million to build 10 years ago? Let's face it, the facilities aren't all that bad, the track design is a bit plain, but you get that when you try and stuff a 3.1km track on a small flat block!

I'd imagine $70million would build you a deadset **** hot race track these days!

DAVID PATERSON · 15 Nov 2007, 03:18 (Ref:2067727)

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Originally Posted by MarkInTheStands

Forgive me if I am wrong here, but . . .

Temporary Circuit with Permanent Pit Facilities / Tech Garages / Hospitality Training Faculties = $68 Million.

What sort of permanent Race Track are you going to buy for that? You would need at least Double that for a half decent Permanent Facility. So What do you do? You hold Motor sport events at temporary Circuits, Build up the profile of the Sport and who know what happens in 5 years or so if it is successful. They might be able to wrangle the same people into tipping more money into a permanent Race Track.

Are you kidding? QR cost 8 million, Morgan Park cost less than 2 million, Kilcoy will cost less than 4 million. 68 million is far, far more than it would take to build a very decent permanent circuit in Townsville.

NewsStalker · 15 Nov 2007, 03:23 (Ref:2067729)

Not when you factor in expenses, kick backs, fees, luches, dinners, business trips to see how tracks are built inUganda, Iceland and Alaska though.

MarkInTheStands · 15 Nov 2007, 05:19 (Ref:2067750)

QR, Does not have a Pit Building it has Colorbond Garages and a Awning for the pit lane.

Where are the Corporate Facilities?

The Fans Sit on On the Grass, and watch the racing.

Who would want another Race track like that. They only people it would benefit would be lower circuit track racers. Surely we should all be thinking Multi use here.

I don't know how much the Land in the Desert costs, but BIC cost $200 Million. Now if only to gets something smaller, You would still think $100 Million. Surely as a minimum