Its Done! Drivers to stay in their own cars in the enduros! (Now with Poll!) - Page 5

STEALTHY · 16 Dec 2009, 20:51 (Ref:2600965)

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Originally Posted by GtiMagic

I think, as GTR alluded to, this will ensure there are 29 A grade cars as opposed to the multiple car teams running A and B grade efforts. How is that a bad thing?

You mean, 29 A grade cars, for 60% of the race

(or whatever the min is for the 2nd driver, thought it was 40%)

DV_08 · 16 Dec 2009, 23:09 (Ref:2601028)

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Originally Posted by Ray Singcar

You have to be kidding. It was only Daddy's fat wallet that has put him in every car he has driven

I don't recall any autobahn/autopro sponsor on the Castrol Perkins car in 03. He dominated the Konica series that year and I think the drive at Bathurst that year sealed the deal along with a solid performance at the other enduro.

rdmdog · 17 Dec 2009, 07:30 (Ref:2601169)

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Originally Posted by DV_08

I don't recall any autobahn/autopro sponsor on the Castrol Perkins car in 03. He dominated the Konica series that year and I think the drive at Bathurst that year sealed the deal along with a solid performance at the other enduro.

If it's Wynns, it's Dumbrell!

anthony81901 · 3 Jan 2010, 10:36 (Ref:2607592)

Speedcafe's poll is so far tracking 50/50.

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2010/01/...ides-a-nation/

Axeman444 · 5 Jan 2010, 22:15 (Ref:2608623)

2 of the most successful part time V8SC drivers in the past few years locked away already, Ritter and Bezzy at GRM

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2010/01/...-enduro-rides/

Belly13 · 5 Jan 2010, 23:19 (Ref:2608647)

Fantastic news!!! Good to see Garry got in early and didn't let the other teams in on the guys who did a great job for him last year.

anthony81901 · 1 Feb 2010, 11:53 (Ref:2623602)

Motorsport News are reporting that Mark Skaife has signed on at 888 for the enduros for a fee in excess of $100k, so much for cost containment.

Pro Racer · 1 Feb 2010, 12:10 (Ref:2623610)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Motorsport News are reporting that Mark Skaife has signed on at 888 for the enduros for a fee in excess of $100k, so much for cost containment.

and thats my main issue with this rule.

Matt · 1 Feb 2010, 15:14 (Ref:2623734)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

and thats my main issue with this rule.

I see no problems with that. If the team chooses to spend an exuberant amount of money when they don't have to, then let them. It's only negatively affecting the team.

GMS144 · 1 Feb 2010, 20:56 (Ref:2624008)

My only question was is there a conflict given MS position on the board who have now inflated his value in the market?

STEALTHY · 1 Feb 2010, 20:56 (Ref:2624010)

I dont see the problem, money buys the best talent.

The age old rule applies, you get what you pay for. They obviously wanted experience (and there getting it)

Chris - Melb · 1 Feb 2010, 21:30 (Ref:2624037)

No problem. In the past, the team with the two best main drivers had a slight advantage. Now it's the teams with the biggest budget. That's pretty much the same teams, so situation normal.

I imagine that co-drivers for 888 in the past did not come free, so the only difference is the gap between what they may have previously paid and the current $100,000 figure that is rumourered.

Let's say they previously paid $20,000, the gap is $80,000.

I would not have thought that $80,000 was a seriously big issue when you have a multimillion dollar budget.

Sure it's driven up costs mildly for the main game teams, but consider it a pension system for older drivers!

Seriously though, it's also going to stimulate activity in the Fujitsu development series in terms of fostering new talent, so I think the general motor racing world will be better off for it.

SSbaby · 1 Feb 2010, 22:27 (Ref:2624062)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Motorsport News are reporting that Mark Skaife has signed on at 888 for the enduros for a fee in excess of $100k, so much for cost containment.

Is that just as a paid driver or promotional duties inclusive?

Pro Racer · 2 Feb 2010, 01:09 (Ref:2624118)

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Originally Posted by SSbaby

Is that just as a paid driver or promotional duties inclusive?

if he does promo and what not outside (even some would argue inside) of those 2 events dosn't that take the "independant" out of the "independant board member"???

Forda · 2 Feb 2010, 01:35 (Ref:2624130)

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Originally Posted by anthony81901

Motorsport News are reporting that Mark Skaife has signed on at 888 for the enduros for a fee in excess of $100k, so much for cost containment.

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

and thats my main issue with this rule.

Huh? Poor old Skaife needs all the money he can get, in the twilight years of his earning capacity as a race driver; after being financially ruined by dealings with TW.

Good on him, I say - he's got a young family to support.

Pro Racer · 2 Feb 2010, 01:40 (Ref:2624132)

nothing against Skaifey at all, i'd chase the cash too.

cavvy · 2 Feb 2010, 02:01 (Ref:2624143)

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Originally Posted by Forda

Huh? Poor old Skaife needs all the money he can get, in the twilight years of his earning capacity as a race driver; after being financially ruined by dealings with TW.

Good on him, I say - he's got a young family to support.

another believer in James Phelps ... that two (2) now, Forda

& Phelps mum.

Forda · 2 Feb 2010, 02:17 (Ref:2624153)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

another believer in James Phelps ... that two (2) now, Forda

& Phelps mum.

Funnily enough, where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
That's why the SMH picked up on this, and also the ABC.

Of course, there's also the odd fool who might think TW could never do such a thing

SSbaby · 2 Feb 2010, 02:20 (Ref:2624155)

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Originally Posted by Pro Racer

if he does promo and what not outside (even some would argue inside) of those 2 events dosn't that take the "independant" out of the "independant board member"???

I don't see how Skaife was ever strictly independent given his role as ambassador for the Holden brand and its products.

Having said that, I think he is professional enough not to step outside of his contractual obligations.

twinwebbers · 2 Feb 2010, 02:59 (Ref:2624165)

So mNews confirm a Lowndes/Skaife and Whincup/Owen pairing...

A strong line up come enduro time...

RotorFan · 2 Feb 2010, 03:15 (Ref:2624171)

OK, now I will have a reason to back Lowndes to win Bathurst

rdmdog · 3 Feb 2010, 10:23 (Ref:2625571)

100K for Big Nose, pretty cheap compared to putting Euro Duds in the car for a few rounds wouldn't you think?

Mixer · 3 Feb 2010, 10:57 (Ref:2625591)

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Originally Posted by rdmdog

100K for Big Nose, pretty cheap compared to putting Euro Duds in the car for a few rounds wouldn't you think?

Well seeing the amount of TV coverage SGR got at Bathurst, surely he's got to be worth that to a sponsor?

stmookeyj033 · 4 Feb 2010, 03:49 (Ref:2626112)

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Originally Posted by rdmdog

100K for Big Nose, pretty cheap compared to putting Euro Duds in the car for a few rounds wouldn't you think?

I can only imagine then how much Jamie and Craig are getting paid if Mark's getting 100K for 2.5 races. I can only imagine if Steve Owen's getting 10K for the same team.

anthony81901 · 14 Oct 2010, 06:38 (Ref:2774716)

Now that the 2 proper enduros have been run, do people think splitting the regular drivers added anything to the racing?

For mine not really. It certainly didn't have any effect on the pecking order and if anything made the result a bit more predictable. 888 & HRT aside, there was only one car with a genuine chance in the other teams. If they had been able to pair their regulars perhaps teams like BJR, KR, PMM & SBR may have been able to run closer to the front.

What was obvious that there are not enough quality co-drivers to go around and the performance gap was much bigger than between the regulars. There are only 6-8 top notch co-drivers and these inevitably will end up with the big teams.

But given the choice between being lead driver in a 2nd car or co-driving with a lead driver in a smaller team some might opt for the latter like Skaife did in 2009 potentially bringing another car into contention.

As time goes on it is going to be harder for teams to blood new drivers. If you look back at the race debuts of many of today's drivers they were in 2nd cars with an experienced lead driver where there wasn't the pressure to perform. The #6 FPR car has been off the pace all year so there wasn't much expectation but if it was up with #5 would FPR have been able to give James Moffat a start?

Coupled with the testing restrictions, it is unlikely that we will see new international drivers in the future.

View Poll Results: Should the main game drivers stay in their regular cars in the enduros??
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