2013 Dunlop V8Supercar Development Series

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2013 Clipsal 500 Adelaide
ADELAIDE PARKLANDS CIRCUIT

DUNLOP SERIES
PRACTICE SESSIONS P1 P2
Practice                 
                     
           Issue 1 DA08A
  Page # 1

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Pos Car  Competitor/Team                Driver                   Vehicle              Cap   CL          Fastest...Lap        Gap

1    26  GB Galvanizing                 Dale Wood                Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:22.7301* 
2    99  Sherrin Rentals                Chaz Mostert             Ford Falson FG       5000              P2  1:22.7725  0:00.0424
3    20  Advam Racing                   Andrew Jones             Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:22.8292  0:00.0991
4    48  R&J Batteries/NDD              Geoff Emery              Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:22.8344  0:00.1043
5    87  Infants Friend                 Ashley Walsh             Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:22.8975  0:00.1674
6    31  Evans Motorsport Group         Kristian Lindbom         Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.1828  0:00.4527
7    35  I Seek                         George Miedecke          Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.2789  0:00.5488
8    27  Triple Eight Race Engineering  Casey Stoner             Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:23.4282  0:00.6981
9    38  Marque Management              Daniel Gaunt             Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:23.6158  0:00.8857
10  999  Rodney Jane Racing             Gary Jacobson            Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.6525  0:00.9224
11   42  Icebreak Racing                Chris Pither             Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:23.7126  0:00.9825
12   10  Arvo                           Taz Douglas              Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.7908  0:01.0607
13   30  TBC                            Nick McBride             Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.8672  0:01.1371
14   58  Go Karts Go                    Drew Russell             Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:23.9795  0:01.2494
15   98  Minda Motorsport               Cameron Waters           Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:24.0138  0:01.2837
16  777  Rodney Jane Racing             Rodney Jane              Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:24.1236  0:01.3935
17   59  CEG Rentals                    Aaren Russell            Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:24.1824  0:01.4523
18   64  Finance Ezi                    Andre Heimgartner        Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:24.2312  0:01.5011
19   54  Eggleston Motorsport           Jay Verdnik              Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:24.4908  0:01.7607
20   62  Warrin Mining                  Adam Wallis              Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:24.6149  0:01.8848
21   43  Rockit&Blackchrome Sportsware  Sam Walter               Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P1  1:24.7906  0:02.0605
22   28  WM Motorsport                  Morgan Haber             Ford Falcon FG       5000              P2  1:24.9784  0:02.2483
23   71  Action Racing                  Marcus Zukanovic         Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:25.2487  0:02.5186
24   44  Finance Ezi                    Josh Hunter              Ford Falocon FG      5000              P2  1:25.2572  0:02.5271
25   11  Garage Nineteen                Aaron Tebb               Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:26.1263  0:03.3962
26   24  Pacific Hoists & Hitachi       Chris Alajajian          Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:26.3108  0:03.5807
27   75  Resi Racing                    Aaron McGill             Holden Commodore VE2 5000              P2  1:26.7103  0:03.9802
28   73  Formula Tech/Interquip Racing  Brett Stewart            Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:26.9367  0:04.2066
29   60  Gulf Western Oil               Michael Hector           Ford Falcon FG       5000              P1  1:28.2754  0:05.5453
30   51  Poll Performance               Jim Pollicina            Holden Commodore VE  5000              P2  1:30.5078  0:07.7777

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 140kph, 110% Of First 1 Is 1:31.0031
Current Practice Record Is 1:21.7586 Set On 02/03/2012 By Chaz Mostert In A Ford Falcon FG
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time
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Issue# 1 - Printed Thu Feb 28 15:33:14 2013     Timing System By NATSOFT (03)63431311 www.natsoft.com.au/results & Dorian DATA-1
                                                                                                          Timing by V8 Supercars

Casey looking very very good. I'm impressed.

[356mal]

[QUOTE=Bevan-L;3211437]


whereabouts did casey stoner do 5 race meetings on ''P" plates and a day

on flags ? to entitle him to a cams circuit racing licence

[Umai Naa]

Isn't there more than one way to gain a national racing license, if you have internationa credentials?

[rik]

[QUOTE=356mal;3212110]

Originally Posted by Bevan-L

whereabouts did casey stoner do 5 race meetings on ''P" plates and a day

on flags ? to entitle him to a cams circuit racing licence

He doesn't need to do any of this, as CAMS are allowed to grant a full licence to champions from other motorsport disciplines. Stoner certainly fits that description.

And from the lap times so far he's already showing up plenty of drivers who've been driving V8s for many years.

[356mal]

[QUOTE=rik;3212143]

Originally Posted by 356mal

He doesn't need to do any of this, as CAMS are allowed to grant a full licence to champions from other motorsport disciplines. Stoner certainly fits that description.

And from the lap times so far he's already showing up plenty of drivers who've been driving V8s for many years.

really ? show me where that is written

I am not saying he doesnt deserve to be there
but cams have rules for obtaining and keeping a race licence
for everyone not just the select few

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by 356mal

I am not saying he doesnt deserve to be there
but cams have rules for obtaining and keeping a race licence
for everyone not just the select few

Plenty of times it has been done for bike racers in the recent past, Beattie and Troy Bayliss both entered the main game without doing the requisite state rounds.

Also CAMS can make up whatever rules they want, I remember Sam Newman getting his international license to do the Bathurst 3 hour with Tony Longhurst... If you believe he did all he was meant to, I got a bridge to sell you.

[rik]

Originally Posted by 356mal

really ? show me where that is written

I am not saying he doesnt deserve to be there
but cams have rules for obtaining and keeping a race licence
for everyone not just the select few

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/motor...216-2ek41.html

From the horses mouth:

CAMS director, racing operations Tim Schenken confirmed that Stoner qualified for a full racing licence under a waiver system for champions from other forms of motor sport.

''What we've done for Casey Stoner is no different than for any other applicant who doesn't fulfil the strict licence criteria,'' said Schenken.

''There is a dispensation process, based on the applicant's competitive history and achievements in another form of motor sport.

''Clearly, with Stoner, there's no question of his ability to race, speed is not an issue, and the way motor cycling racing and car racing are conducted is very similar.''

[356mal]

my point exactly
CAMS just make up the rules as they go along
and then they wonder why no one gives them
any credability

[TCR-028]

Exactly. Afterall, what would a twice world MotoGP champ know ?

Surely doing a handful of State level events and waving some flags would give him the kind of experience required to really understand what motor racing is all about ?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by 356mal

my point exactly
CAMS just make up the rules as they go along
and then they wonder why no one gives them
any credability

Make the rules up as they go along? This dispensation has been in place for years - Wayne Gardner or Mick Doohan would be able to tell you all about it.

Very well known (at professional levels in any case) and well used before now.

[Umai Naa]

Mostert on pole, Stoner 12th.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Mostert on pole, Stoner 12th.

From there in with the wannabes he is going to be hard pressed to finish the first lap.

[356mal]

tcr028 whether waving flags or not would make anyone understand motor
racing is not the point.
the point is there are rules in place and cams choose to change them
whenever it suits .( many times over the past few years )
I am sure he has the ability and skills to race cars
but I can tell you for a fact when casey was 17 yrs old he had to sit
his nsw motorcycle licence and riding test along with everyone else
even though he was the best rider in the world
there where no special dispensations given there
because the rta dont just waiver things whenever it suits

[TCR-028]

So are we talking about CAMS here mate or the NSW RTA ? Because seriously, i'd rather try to negotiate with my wife than the RTA !

And realistically, anyone with half a brain would realise sometimes it's not exactly a silly mistake to take into account previous history and on the job experience - i think the academic community refer to it as RPL, or Recognised Prior Learning ?

I reckon old mate Casey despite an unfortunate run today would be well qualified to make the RPL category. Just saying...

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[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by TCR-028

Exactly. Afterall, what would a twice world MotoGP champ know ?

Surely doing a handful of State level events and waving some flags would give him the kind of experience required to really understand what motor racing is all about ?

I think you've missed the point (again?). While Casey is more than qualified to deal with the pressure of high level motorsport, the psychology, working in a team and so forth. The fact is, driving/racing a car is a hugely different discipline to driving/racing a bike. There may be some qualities he has that are transferable, but none of them are to do with driving/racing a car.

Part of the point about a probationary period is to blow the cobwebs out of any weaknesess you may have as a driver, or to be aware of them. The fact is, despite all the advantages he has, the results he's produced so far are ****. You, and some others, may go on about how he's new and that, but that's the point about probationary periods. Results on face value are ****.

Originally Posted by Tourer

Make the rules up as they go along? This dispensation has been in place for years - Wayne Gardner or Mick Doohan would be able to tell you all about it.

Very well known (at professional levels in any case) and well used before now.

Wayne Gardner has some low level car racing experience before 92. I'm not sure how much exactly, but there's a bit. Mick is a **** driver, there should be no special dispensation for him.

[formerf1champ]

Is this weekend seriously Casey's first weekend racing cars?

[Umai Naa]

Apparently, he's quite competitive in a go kart.

[TCR-028]

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

I think you've missed the point (again?). While Casey is more than qualified to deal with the pressure of high level motorsport, the psychology, working in a team and so forth. The fact is, driving/racing a car is a hugely different discipline to driving/racing a bike. There may be some qualities he has that are transferable, but none of them are to do with driving/racing a car.

Part of the point about a probationary period is to blow the cobwebs out of any weaknesess you may have as a driver, or to be aware of them. The fact is, despite all the advantages he has, the results he's produced so far are ****. You, and some others, may go on about how he's new and that, but that's the point about probationary periods. Results on face value are ****.

Yep. Last to 14th in second ever race, results on face value are definetely **** as you indicated...

I had never seen a track before doing my OLT and went out and raced cleanly in my first meet despite having only turned a handful of laps in qualifying due to a dodgy clutch. You can either race or you can't. The guy would be competitive in marbles, he's one of those guys...

Still, haters gonna hate...

[GTRMagic]

So... what of the story that 888 may be looking to run Mr Stoner as a wildcard at Phillip Island to cash in on his 6 victories in 6 years there...

[356mal]

there is no hate
I know casey is very talented and I hope he wins
my original question was regarding CAMS doing as they please
and Sam Newman getting his international license to do the Bathurst 3 hour proves the point

former f1champ
he did some test days and spent a day at bathurst with john bowe and
others but yes this was his first weekend of racing cars .

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by TCR-028

Yep. Last to 14th in second ever race, results on face value are definetely sh!t as you indicated...

Even if the guy ended up 20th, it seems you would've gotten excited about it. Consider Andrew Thompson dominated the dunlop series with 888, and he's a useless main championship driver. Yet, Stoner is light years behind that. He has a lot of advantages, mainly driving the best car in the field with the best team. The rear of the field is full of weak cars and/or drivers (that's why they're there), making some progression was going to happen if he stayed clean. Typically, it's relatively easy to get close or thereabouts to the front, that last extra bit is really difficult to get. I think Casey would've been better off with a year or two in an amateur class (at least), but he's put himself in a position where he's starting form half way to the top. He may get to a decent level, but then he just stay there. One of the reason why he was so good on bikes, is because he'd been raing in junior/amateur classes for a long time. He does not have that advantage in cars.

Originally Posted by TCR-028

I had never seen a track before doing my OLT and went out and raced cleanly in my first meet despite having only turned a handful of laps in qualifying due to a dodgy clutch. You can either race or you can't. The guy would be competitive in marbles, he's one of those guys...

I have nfi of the point of this part of the post.

Originally Posted by TCR-028

Still, haters gonna hate...

Couldn't choose which graphic to use. So I'll use all of them!

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by 356mal

former f1champ
he did some test days and spent a day at bathurst with john bowe and
others but yes this was his first weekend of racing cars .

I suppose that's all you need then.

[bestfit]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... what of the story that 888 may be looking to run Mr Stoner as a wildcard at Phillip Island to cash in on his 6 victories in 6 years there...

From what I hear it is Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) that want to run him as a wildcard at PI and Japan. MotoGP is very much a closed shop, there are no spare bikes lying around for private wildcard entries. That is a factory gig.
If Casey did not have access to full factory bike there is no way he would ride. Why would he?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... what of the story that 888 may be looking to run Mr Stoner as a wildcard at Phillip Island to cash in on his 6 victories in 6 years there...

That there is why 888 are top of the pile. Get all the bike fans on board and buying merch, and massive promotion for the joint sponsor.