hans device in club racing

[1200Datto27]

Originally posted by 1200Datto27
The FIA website has a list of apporved Devices and helmets (all SA2000) at this location.

FIA HANS

It is interesting to see that a number of the teams make their own for their drivers.

Reposting this info, Only SA2000 helmets are allowed to be used by the FIA with a Hans device.

[johnw]

But I believe that you can use any helmet approved by your National authority.

[jminsh]

The MSA will only allow helmets on the FIA list to be used with Hans.

[1200Datto27]

I think that most would be the same, if they allow other helmets to be used, and something goes wrong, then the onus/liability rests with them for allowing a non tested/approved helmet.

[johnw]

Thanks for that Jason.
That'll put a few more off!

[jminsh]

Better they know than turn up at scrute and be turned away !!!

[JustinDawkins]

What is the retail price for them jase?

[jminsh]

They start from 534+vat which is the one i've just got.
call me for the real price !!

[JustinDawkins]

And is it extra to have the thingies put on your helmet?

[jminsh]

No not on your first helmet but if you want them fitting to any spare helmets they cost about 48 +vat per helmet

[johnw]

Originally posted by jminsh
Better they know than turn up at scrute and be turned away !!!

Agreed. See you PM's please.

[dasc04]

Originally posted by MMiller
....you can even install them yourself.

mm

Thats not actually correct. The holes must be drilled by a certified company such as Demon Tweeks or GP Racewear. I bought mine from GPR and they drilled the lid for free (£40 if you get HANS elsewhere). Inside the lining they put a small sticker (date and place of drilling) which looks like an official one. This was then checked by scrutes at the races i've done with that helmet even if not using the actual HANS.

My opinion on the price thing is that if people are willing to spend £400 to £500 on a helmet, another £400 on a paint job god knows what on racing for a year, is about £600 really a lot to pay in the way of a something that could save your life?

I had an accident about 6 weeks ago and ended up taking the whole left side off my single seater. Telemetry said i hit tyre wall at 87mph. I didn't hit the wall head on but it did have a big impact. Now i am not saying whether it was because of the HANS or not because i don't know but after an impact like this i was perfectly fine. No sore neck or back. Even when medical peeps said i probably would have a stiff neck the next day, i didn't. Just a sore pride (and wallet)! But after that i would recommend one to anyone.

[StephenRae]

dasc04...If the helmet has to be drilled by a 'certified company' why is there a page of instructions on how to do it yourself on the Hans website?

[JustinDawkins]

Think its because the need for "official" drilling is imposed by the MSA, not Hans. For some reason the MSA, or FIA deem it dangerous for us to drill our own helmets, must have seem some of our DIY........

[StephenRae]

So lets get this right Justin...I can build a car from scratch without any outside help and if the scrute says its safe I race...but I can't be trusted to drill two 6mm holes...is it me or are the mad people really taking over?

[jminsh]

!!! Its only mad people that weave like idiots on a track to slow a much faster driver down and increase the need for Hans device with a masive accident !!

[JimW]

Stephen

Looking at some of the sheds we see racing (not many, but some), I would not trust some people to hit a sheet of metal with a hammer.

But the question whether people of limited competence/skills/carefulness/intelligence should be allowed to endanger their own safety is a different matter. Personally I'm surprised that HANS "allow" for untrained individuals to fit their own attachments. (For untrained, read uncertified as that is the nub of the matter).

Regards

Jim

[StephenRae]

We are talking about 2 x 6mm holes to be drilled following extremely comprehensive instructions from the manufacturers who are content to allow diy.
I would prefer to do it myself rather than have a kid in the Demon Tweeks stores with a black and decker have a stab at it.

[JimW]

Stephen

I know where you are coming from but if I was responsible for arranging liability insurance to protect my organisation, I would not allow anyone who could not provide a "certificate of competence" or a very large insurance policy to do this work.

You would not be permitted to use a helmet in which you had drilled other holes to attach your very own adornments; I don't see why HANS would be any different.

You know you are competent to drill two holes (and you may well really mean to carry the risk yourself) but how do I know that there is a rerasonable chance you are competent? Not just optimistic and cheapskate.

Regards

Jim

[StephenRae]

Hello Jim. I take your point and suppose I am rebelling against the 'nanny' state in which we are living. Wherever one turns there is evidence of people not taking responsibility for their own actions. This is not so much a conversation about 2 holes in a helmet but one of negating responsibility and finding someone else at whom to point the finger.

[Tracey]

Sorry, but can someone explain to me what proof there is regarding who fitted the HANS device clips to a helmet, and who checks it? Maybe a scruitineer can explain the checking procedure for such a device.

[johnw]

So if I buy one in America from the manufacturers and follow their cd rom fitting instructions, I will not be allowed to use it in the UK?
If that is so, the lunatics are running the asylum.

If the world's most litigious country allows it, what are the MSA up to?

JimW
Your post seems at odds with your oft quoted signature

[JimW]

Originally posted by johnw
. . .

JimW
Your post seems at odds with your oft quoted signature

Sorry John but where does it say I have to be consistent?

Actually I do claim that my remarks are consistent. If I was racing I might well chose not to use a HANS or to decide that I was competent enough to drill two holes.

But if I was (God, as well as lots of other more apparent personalities, forbid) involved in governing motorsport, I suspect that I might well decide that having "others" take risks on my behalf did not seem sensible.

Regards

Jim

[johnw]

Originally posted by JimW
....I suspect that I might well decide that having "others" take risks on my behalf did not seem sensible.[/B]

Yes and I have decided the same, yet I am being forced to let "others" of whom I have no knowledge drill holes in my crash hat.
I'm afraid it doesn't stand up Jim.

[JustinDawkins]

for **** sake. You will have to go to a retailer to buy a Hans, and seeing as the cost of installing the mounts is thrown in for the first helmet then you can't really complain can you!?