2010 Silly Season (merged x7)

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

You can see why they would want that when their 2nd car hasn't been doing much.

Except a top 10 Bathurst finish!!

[Biggy G]

Surely Kitten wouldnt be too keen to stick with FFF, their 2 races so far have resulted in a DNS and a DNF. Also Dodo at FPR seems a bit of a stretch? If the rumours of a big player moving in to take over Castrol are true, then what are Dodo doing?

[racer69]

Are they planning to free up a 30th licence?

[F J Nedos]

hahaha I saw the funny side of a Dodo being alongside Mr S Richards... The comedic side of me sees this as very appropriate!

[Pro Racer]

just sitting here thinking after reading eNews. on the one page there is an article with D'Alberto looking for a REC (tbh i can't see him finding one) but no mention of Tasman this time. then in a bigger article about RNR/Bottle-O to FPR they mention Bargs as a possible candidate, so if it's not D'Alberto or Bargwanna in #3 then could one M.Skaife be enticed out of retirement after a couple good enjoyable performances??? probably not but i'd like to see it he retired to early i said it last year and still do i wish he sold HRT and went and just drove for someone else.

as for D'Alberto if he can't find a REC which is highly likely with how hard they are to come by atm is Tasman his fallback?

if not either Bargs, D'Alberto or Skaife then who is in the #3 seat.

TBH if i was Tasman i'd look at Andrew Thompson if he misses out on the FPR gig as hebrings dough and has talent.

[TSR]

FPR have to sign Moffat Jnr up straight away, or it will be another Ford stuff up.

[GTRMagic]

An Evolution…

2010 Dreamtime – 18 Holdens

#	REC	Car	Engine	Preparer	NRSponsor	Brand	Driver
1	888	888	KRE	888	Vodafone	Commodore	J.Whincup
2	WP	HRT	WP	WP	Toll	Commodore	G.Tander
3	TDR	WP	WP	TDR	Bellmont	Commodore	T.D’Alberto
7	KR	KR	KR	KR	Jack Daniels	Commodore	T.Kelly
8	BJR	WP	WP	BJR	BOC	Commodore	J.Richards
10	WP	WP	WP	WP	Autobarn	Commodore	P.Dumbrell
11	PE	KR	KR	KR	Bet247	Commodore	J.Perkins
14	BJR	WP	WP	BJR	WOW	Commodore	A.Jones
15	KR	KR	KR	KR	Jack Daniels	Commodore	R.Kelly
16	PE	KR	KR	KR	HiTec Oils	Commodore	M.McNally
22	WP	HRT	WP	WP	Toll	Commodore	W.Davison
24	WP	WP	WP	WP	Bundy Rum	Commodore	D.Reynolds
25	Britek	WP	WP	BJR	Westrac CAT	Commodore	J.Bright
33	GRM	GRM	WP	GRM	Valvoline	Commodore	L.Holdsworth
34	GRM	GRM	WP	GRM	Valvoline	Commodore	M.Caruso
39	PMM	888	KRE	PMM	SuperCheap	Commodore	R.Ingall
67	PMM	888	KRE	PMM	Sirromet	Commodore	P.Morris
888	888	888	KRE	888	Vodafone	Commodore	C.Lowndes

2010 Dreamtime – 12 Fords

#	REC	Car	Engine	Preparer	NRSponsor	Brand	Driver
4	SBR	SBR	SBR	SBR	Irwin Tools	Falcon	A.Davison
5	FPR	FPR	FPR	FPR	Orrcon	Falcon	M.Winterbottom
6	FPR	FPR	FPR	FPR	Dodo	Falcon	S.Richards
9	SBR	SBR	SBR	SBR	Castrol	Falcon	S.van Gisbergen
12	FFF	888	KRE	FFF	Kitten	Falcon	D.Fiore
17	DJR	888	DJR	DJR	Jim Beam	Falcon	S.Johnson
18	DJR	888	DJR	DJR	Jim Beam	Falcon	J.Courtney
51	Tasman	888	DJR	PCR	SprintGas	Falcon	G.Murphy
55	RNR	FPR	FPR	FPR	Bottle O	Falcon	A.Thompson
77	NoLimit	SBR	SBR	SBR	SP Tools	Falcon	M.Marshall
81	HiTech	888	KRE	HiTech	Hungry Jacks	Falcon	S.Owen
111	PCR	888	DJR	PCR	Wilson Security	Falcon	F.Coulthard

…. And of course if you have insight as to what new facts can be added to improve this, please share…

[wide open]

PCR
Sprint Gas
Brightec

All been Linked in the last few weeks one way or another all trying to survive, V8 supercar teams are struggling to keep a float

These three in more trouble than most

Team owner house for sale

Bills and loans out standing, to a lot more people than is known, 50K here 100K there, soon adds up

A couple of the for mentioned teams may not even see the year out

[EBXR8]

2010 Dreamtime – 18 Holdens 12 Fords

HOLDEN

888 Race Engineering
1 888 888 KRE 888 Vodafone Commodore J.Whincup
888 888 888 KRE 888 Vodafone Commodore C.Lowndes
Walkinshaw Performance
2 WP HRT WP WP Toll Commodore G.Tander
22 WP HRT WP WP Toll Commodore W.Davison
10 WP WP WP WP Autobarn Commodore P.Dumbrell
24 WP WP WP WP Bundy Rum Commodore D.Reynolds
Kelly Racing
7 KR KR KR KR Jack Daniels Commodore T.Kelly
15 KR KR KR KR Jack Daniels Commodore R.Kelly
11 PE KR KR KR Bet247 Commodore J.Perkins
16 PE KR KR KR HiTec Oils Commodore M.McNally
Brad Jones Racing
8 BJR WP WP BJR BOC Commodore J.Richards
14 BJR WP WP BJR WOW Commodore A Jones/G Ritter/A Thompson/J Bargwana
Garry Rogers Motorsport
33 GRM GRM WP GRM Valvoline Commodore G Ritter/A Thompson/J Bargwana
34 GRM GRM WP GRM Valvoline Commodore M.Caruso
Paul Morris Motorsport
39 PMM 888 KRE PMM SuperCheap Commodore R.Ingall
67 PMM 888 KRE PMM SuperCheap Commodore T.Slade
12 FFF PMM KRE PMM Kitten Commodore D.Fiore
Tony D’Alberto Racing
3 TDR(Ex Tasman ) WP WP TDR Bellmont Commodore T.D’Alberto

FORD

Stone Brothers Racing
4 SBR SBR SBR SBR Irwin Tools Falcon A.Davison
9 SBR SBR SBR SBR SP Tools Falcon S.van Gisbergen
25 Britek SBR SBR SBR Fujitsu Falcon J.Bright
24 SBR (Ex Britek) SBR SBR SBR Castrol Falcon S Richards
Ford Performance Racing
5 FPR FPR FPR FPR Orrcon Falcon M.Winterbottom
6 FPR FPR FPR FPR TBA Falcon L Holdsworth
55 FPR (EX RNR) FPR FPR FPR Bottle O Falcon J Moffat
Dick Johnson Racing
17 DJR 888 DJR DJR Jim Beam Falcon S.Johnson
18 DJR 888 DJR DJR Jim Beam Falcon J.Courtney
51 Tasman 888 DJR DJR Sprint Gas Falcon G Murphy
111 PCR 888 DJR DJR Wilson Security Falcon F Coulthard
No Limit Racing
77 NLR (#30 REC) FFF KRE NLR No Limit Falcon M Marshall

[Belly13]

Lee Holdsworth will be at GRM next year. His contract expires at the end of 2010 and he is very keen to see it through. Maybe next year we can talk about him leaving???

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

An Evolution…

2010 Dreamtime – 18 Holdens

2010 Dreamtime – 12 Fords

…. And of course if you have insight as to what new facts can be added to improve this, please share…

Westrac CAT - no WA round, no deal ... its in the tea leaves GTR ?
Hungry Jacks?

[motofan]

GTR dont quote me on this but..... what ive heard is that it could possibly be a 4 car relationship with the 3 teams currently invovled ie: tasman (greg murphy racing) britek and wsr and the possibility of playing both sides of the fence ie: holden/ford isnt out of the cards which would essentially maintain there relationship with 888 race engineering and the development of the cars

[EBXR8]

Originally Posted by Belly13

Lee Holdsworth will be at GRM next year. His contract expires at the end of 2010 and he is very keen to see it through. Maybe next year we can talk about him leaving???

I have heard that he was a hot tip to replace S Richards whom also has a 2010 contract but may be swept aside if Lee is available.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by EBXR8

I have heard that he was a hot tip to replace S Richards whom also has a 2010 contract but may be swept aside if Lee is available.

Does FPR want fto fund an alleged $250k break fee?

[Belly13]

Originally Posted by EBXR8

I have heard that he was a hot tip to replace S Richards whom also has a 2010 contract but may be swept aside if Lee is available.

But that's the problem EBXR8 - he's not available.
I asked Garry on Thursday at the mountain and he said that Leethal and Robbo were both set to stay next year. I mentioned the Ford thing and Holdsworth: "Lee won't be going anywhere next year" - GR

Like I said in an earlier post, Leethal's contract runs out at the end of next year. He will be in his prime and another year like this one in 2010 means he will most likely be able to write his own cheque (If you get my drift).
I think Lee will move on in 2011, whether FPR still have a seat available will remain to be seen.

[EBXR8]

Ahh Thanks for the Clarifcation belly, it was major scuttlebut before PI that FPR were a knocking. With a breifcase full of coin, so at least GR is able to keep him for next year at least.

[EBXR8]

With that said i still dont see S richards at FPR next year, if SBR pick up the Castrol Dollars as is reported i see him asd the pilot of that mobile, As for his replacement if Lee is unavailable, Mabye Mr Webb, Youlden or Thompson all possible no 2's to frosty

[Pro Racer]

Bargs aswell????? the old LMS back together.

[motofan]

Toll Holden Racing Team
#2 - Garth Tander - Toll Holdings/Holden Ecoline - VE Commodore
#22 - Will Davison - Toll Holdings/Holden Ecoline- VE Commodore

Walkinshaw Racing
#10 - Paul Dumbrell - Autobarn - VE Commodore
#24 - David Reynolds - Bundaberg Red - VE Commodore

Tony D'Alberto Racing
#3 - Tony D'Alberto - TBA - VE Commodore

Stone Brothers Racing
#4 - Alex Davison - IRWIN - FG Falcon
#9 - Shane Van Gisbergen - SP Tools - FG Falcon
#Perkins one- James Moffat - Castrol - FG falcon

Ford Performance Racing
#5 - Mark Winterbottom - Orrcon Steel - FG Falcon
#6 - Steven Richards - Dodo - FG Falcon
#55 - Andrew Thompson - Bottle-O - FG Falcon

Kelly Racing
#7 - Todd Kelly - Jack Dainels - VE Commodore
#15 - Rick Kelly - Jack Dainels - VE Commodore
#11 - Jack Perkins - Bet 24-7 - VE Commodore

Brad Jones Racing
#8 - Jason Richards - BOC - VE Commodore
#14 - TBA - WOW - VE Commodore

Triple F Racing
#12 - Dean Fiore - Landscape development - VE Commodore

Jim Beam Racing
#17 - Steven Johnson - Jim Beam Red - FG Falcon
#18 - James Courtney - Jim Beam Black - FG Falcon

Garry Rogers Motorsport
#33 - Lee Holdsworth - Valvoline/Cummins - VE Commodore
#34 - Michael Caruso - Valvoline/Cummins - VE Commodore

Supercheap Auto Racing
#39 - Russell Ingall - Supercheap Auto - VE Commodore
#67 - Tim Slade - Supercheap Auto - VE Commodore

Paul Cruickshank Racing
#111 - Fabian Coulthard - Wilson Security - FG Falcon
#25 - Jason Bright - Fujitsu - FG Falcon

Greg Murphy Racing
#51 - Greg Murphy - Sprint Gas - VE Commodore
#333- Michael Patrizi- Mcrgath Foundation/Cooper tools - VE Commodore

Team Vodafone
#88 - Jamie Whincup - Vodafone/Nokia - VE Commodore
#888 - Craig Lowndes - Vodafone/Nokia - VE Commodore

[motofan]

scrap the dodo sponsorship of Richards replace with TBA

[motofan]

Also might be worth looking for a new home for the perkins licence i left at kelly racing words is they dont want perkins licences anymore

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

hahaha I saw the funny side of a Dodo being alongside Mr S Richards... The comedic side of me sees this as very appropriate!

It is a furphy... but yet somehow fits..

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by motofan

Also might be worth looking for a new home for the perkins licence i left at kelly racing words is they dont want perkins licences anymore

That noise has been around for a while.

Its odd that the Kelly Racing squad were talking up the 4 car concept earlier in the year, suggesting the operating costs for 4 cars are similar to running 2 cars...

... yet in a double page spread in the Daily Telegraph at the weekend, the team suggested that theirs was a $14m a season operation across 4 cars

The 2 customer cars have not looked competitive too regularly, not always because of the driving staff... but there seems to be a clear distinction in car quality/speed between the 2 black and white units, and the other 2... plus the rotation of the pilots has not helped...

[motofan]

maybe there in lies the problem 14 mill across 4 cars equates to 3.5 a car where as a team like vodafone, hrt? and fpr have a budget of 12 across two maybe the money they are spending on the two low performing vehicles just isn't worth it?

I doubt that dodo/247/hitech oils would bring 7million sponsorship to the table if anything itd be 2 million all up so that brings the budget to 12 sounds good to me?

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by EBXR8

With that said i still dont see S richards at FPR next year, if SBR pick up the Castrol Dollars as is reported i see him asd the pilot of that mobile, As for his replacement if Lee is unavailable, Mabye Mr Webb, Youlden or Thompson all possible no 2's to frosty

Does Coulthard have a contract? I'm sure they would like to put someone more established than that lot at FPR.

Giovanardi is out of contract? He has a win in most major touring car series and is leaving the shut-down 888 Vectra team, how hard can it be to switch from 2000cc + grip to 5000 cc + not-grip to have a crack at the Australian title? Got to be more fun than driving one of 4/5 Cruzes against a similar works fleet of Beemers and Seats in some sort of team order based absurdity!

Matt Neal, another 888 BTCC star, is out of contract too. Certainly the Brits see no reason why he couldn't have a crack down under for a bit of fun, even if Seton fans do.