2008 F3 EuroSeries calendar & off season chat

[pericu]

Day 2 (Wednesday)

Morning
1 - Nico Hulkenberg (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'33"403 - 59
2 - Edoardo Mortara (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'33"415 - 71
3 - Renger Van der Zande (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'33"429 - 62
4 - Christian Vietoris (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'33"613 - 52
5 - Jean Karl Vernay (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'33"658 - 58
6 - Charlie Kimball (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'33"739 - 73
7 - Mika Maki (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'33"763 - 58
8 - Yann Clairay (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'33"828 - 36
9 - Dani Clos (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'33"850 - 50
10 - Tom Dillmann (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'33"851 - 34
11 - Franck Mailleux (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'33"872 - 66
12 - Henki Waldschmidt (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'33"909 - 31
13 - Erik Janis (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'34"002 - 60
14 - Daniel Campos (Dallara-Mercedes) - HBR - 1'34"038 - 67
15 - James Jakes (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'34"067 - 52
16 - Jules Bianchi (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'34"130 - 43
17 - Basil Shaaban (Dallara-Mercedes) - HBR - 1'34"295 - 51
18 - Stefano Coletti (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'34"305 - 50
19 - Maximilian Gotz (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"334 - 42
20 - Cheng Cong Fu (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"353 - 56
21 - Martin Plowman (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"610 - 52
22 - Jon Lancaster (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'34"746 - 33
23 - Jens Klingmann (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"832 - 54

Afternoon
1 - Christian Vietoris (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'33"442 - 54
2 - Mika Maki (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'33"490 - 45
3 - Edoardo Mortara (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'33"543 - 48
4 - Yann Clairay (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'33"807 - 35
5 - Nico Hulkenberg (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'33"828 - 50
6 - James Jakes (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'33"879 - 29
7 - Jean Karl Vernay (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'33"944 - 40
8 - Jules Bianchi (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'34"046 - 25
9 - Renger Van der Zande (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'34"068 - 46
10 - Dani Clos (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'34"287 - 42
11 - Charlie Kimball (Dallara-Mercedes) - Prema - 1'34"335 - 41
12 - Franck Mailleux (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'34"342 - 36
13 - Basil Shaaban (Dallara-Mercedes) - HBR - 1'34"442 - 39
14 - Erik Janis (Dallara-Mercedes) - Mucke - 1'34"470 - 47
15 - Maximilian Gotz (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"478 - 29
16 - Henki Waldschmidt (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'34"514 - 35
17 - Daniel Campos (Dallara-Mercedes) - HBR - 1'34"605 - 39
18 - Tom Dillmann (Dallara-Mercedes) - SG - 1'34"616 - 28
19 - Martin Plowman (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'34"689 - 33
20 - Stefano Coletti (Dallara-Volkswagen) - Signature - 1'34"910 - 28
21 - Cheng Cong Fu (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'35"020 - 34
22 - Jon Lancaster (Dallara-Mercedes) - ART - 1'35"421 - 29
23 - Jens Klingmann (Dallara-Volkswagen) - RC - 1'35"448 - 26

[pericu]

Tomorrow there is the pre-event test at Hockenheim, exclusive for F3 Euroseries (no dtm, porsche...). At Friday, already the free practise and qualy.
Probably, we can follow all with livetiming on official website, but anybody knows if we can see for tv (I think motors tv, but I don't have it ), internet...?

[Alex K]

What website?

[Valker]

http://f3euroseries.com/live/

[Daisy]

First victim of the strong line up of this season is there. Stefano Coletti has lost his Red Bull backing (again) and will be replaced by Canadian Robert Wickens. He will run in 2 series since he also stays in the WSR with Carlin.

Shame, I think Coletti is a better driver than the results in the first races showed. I don't think he's the next superstar, but he had some good performances in Formula Renault last year. I hope he can find a seat somewhere else.

[Last2LiftOff]

Originally Posted by Ned Flanders

As melon scratcher's go, that's a honey doodle.

Edit: article says Dallara-Mercedes, thought Team Signature were VW powered, no?

[META4]

Originally Posted by Daisy

First victim of the strong line up of this season is there. Stefano Coletti has lost his Red Bull backing (again) and will be replaced by Canadian Robert Wickens. He will run in 2 series since he also stays in the WSR with Carlin.

Shame, I think Coletti is a better driver than the results in the first races showed. I don't think he's the next superstar, but he had some good performances in Formula Renault last year. I hope he can find a seat somewhere else.

Once again RedBull style... can anybody tell me how many drivers RedBull Junior did waste?


Friesacher,Auinger,Ammermueller,Flemming,Edwards,Piscopo,Morad ... between many others...

How many did they bring up to F1? only one Vettel AFAIK

[Last2LiftOff]

Yeah Meta4, I'm still ticked about Morad. Even so, thing's are better with Red Bull's sponsorship than not at all IMO. It's a guess, but that kind of coin could be hard to replace.

[OJB]

Hopefully Wickens won't suffer in the same way that Buemi did when he did both F3 and GP2 - he didn't star in GP2 like he should have done, as shown by the way he is driving with Arden this year.

Also, isn't this a bit of a step back for Wickens given his experience has been in WSR, A1GP and Atlantics. The cars will seem very slow! Suppose it never hurts to get added experience but I don't think it really benefited Buemi that much last year.

Shame about Coletti - the Red Bull musical chairs in full effect again. Everyone must be on tenterhooks in that programme, because not all of them can win!

[Blitzer]

Originally Posted by META4

How many did they bring up to F1? only one Vettel AFAIK

Not counting Friesacher, there are five: Vettel, Speed, Liuzzi, Klien, Bernoldi.

I don't understand why doesn't Red Bull pick up some other driver as replacement when they drop someone mid-season? Putting Wickens in F3 doesn't make any sense.

[Alex K]

I might be wrong, but AFAIK Liuzzi and Klien weren't Red Bull Junior drivers, they were backed by Red Bull. Or maybe it was only Liuzzi?

[META4]

Originally Posted by Blitzer

Not counting Friesacher, there are five: Vettel, Speed, Liuzzi, Klien, Bernoldi.

I don't understand why doesn't Red Bull pick up some other driver as replacement when they drop someone mid-season? Putting Wickens in F3 doesn't make any sense.

How many of these drivers are still backed by RedBull or in F1...

[Daisy]

Dillmann now also dropped from Red Bull Junior Team. I wasn't really impressed by his performance, but can't say he's a bad driver. Victim no 2 of the strong field.

[sauber11]

Right decision by Red bull.
I wonder, who will replace him, somebody from other red-bull juniors or not.
I will suggest Hartley, as he almost lost british f3 winning chances( i mean competing both in british and euro f3 ).

[Old Finn]

Its very bad news for sport, But soon there might be one more Red Bull seat at Euro F3;

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/urheilu/uu...asp?id=1545075

= dangerous driving, max sentence in finland is 2yrs in jail and definitely will lose his licence......

[Last2LiftOff]

Oops Mika...

Sorry Finn, my Finnish is not so good. He's okay then?

[Old Finn]

Thank god nobody was badly injured, only few bypassers got some bruises etc....

Originally Posted by Last2LiftOff

Oops Mika...

Sorry Finn, my Finnish is not so good. He's okay then?

[Valker]

Yep. He's ok and so is the passenger.

Lucky that Mika ain't fat... A metal bar from a fence separating sidewalk and street pierced the car and Mika's shirt and went all the way through the car ending behind the other guys neck.

I think you can't pierce a car with a metal pipe driving only 40km/h (speed limit).

http://static.iltalehti.fi/tampere/k...eautoLS_te.jpg

[Old Finn]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/ko...asp?id=1545510

Yep, Police says it was road race and speeding situation....

Originally Posted by Valker

Yep. He's ok and so is the passenger.

Lucky that Mika ain't fat... A metal bar from a fence separating sidewalk and street pierced the car and Mika's shirt and went all the way through the car ending behind the other guys neck.

I think you can't pierce a car with a metal pipe driving only 40km/h (speed limit).

http://static.iltalehti.fi/tampere/k...eautoLS_te.jpg

[Alex K]

Oh they're lucky. Pres. he's out of Red Bull Junior scheme.

[Daisy]

Guess we'll find out before the end of next week when they race at the Nörisring...

[OJB]

Will be very interesting to see how Red Bull handle this one. I suppose we don't know the complete ins and outs, but if he is charged with reckless driving it probably isn't a great image for them. Even so, I think he is one of the most promising (if not THE most promising) driver in their scheme. Tough one to call.

[Alex K]

It's not tough 1, it's up to court rulling...

[Daisy]

Charlie Kimball is also out, due to sponsor problems. He will be replaced by ... Stefano Coletti, suprise. Shame for Kimball, decent driver, but in this years top class field not a weekly frontrunner. Good deal for Prema that they got Coletti as replacement. Showed some promising last year in Formula Renault. For Coletti, I think Prema is definately not a step backwards then where he was before.

[JOWT Blog]

Maybe Kimball will sign with Red Bull...wishful thinking perhaps. It would be a shame to see him out of the car.