|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
7 Feb 2010, 01:48 (Ref:2628284) | #126 | ||
Race Official
20KPINAL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 23,392
|
Unfortunately they are burying themselves in it, unless they pull their fingers out.
|
||
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying." Colin Chapman. |
7 Feb 2010, 02:17 (Ref:2628295) | #127 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,064
|
I just don't see that any of these proposals are the way to go.
#1 has the same nose as the current model, often cited as being one of the ugly aspects, just with much less sponsorship space on the sidepods. If it's associated with being a bad part of the current design then why would you want to keep it?! #2 has an improved nose cone but still not that attractive & has the same problem as #1 regarding sidepod sponsorship space #3 just looks to be the result of somebody going 'well they want something wacky!' It isn't even that attractive IMO. There's different & then there's just we're trying too hard to find something to grab everybodys attention. Yes this would grab theire attention...but for all the wrong reasons! I may sound fussy but if we do have to put up with a spec series then is it really too much to ask that the cars are beautiful as well as fast, provide lots of sponsorship space, safe etc....? Especially as we will probably have to put up with the design for a good few years. I'm interested to see what the other manufacturers come up with but I seriously hope that it's a bit better than Dallara's offering. |
||
__________________
RIP Dan Wheldon, 1978-2011. 2005 & 2011 Indy 500 champion, 2005 Indycar champion RIP Marco Simoncelli, 1987-2011. 2008 250cc champion |
7 Feb 2010, 02:35 (Ref:2628310) | #128 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
It's far more likely that wheel fairings and deep sidepods will be elements of Dallara's final design. Safety is the IICS number one concern, and the opportunity of a new design to prevent wheel to wheel contact will probably be siezed upon.
Engine selection will dictate some of the final styling, and cues taken fron the Delta and Swift submissions may be adapted. But the builder will be Dallara. |
||
|
7 Feb 2010, 02:59 (Ref:2628327) | #129 | ||
Race Official
20KPINAL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 23,392
|
Maybe but Ganassi & Co seem to be behind Bowlby and his new car.
|
||
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying." Colin Chapman. |
7 Feb 2010, 03:05 (Ref:2628330) | #130 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
If you want to know what's going on, start looking. Go to Panther Racing's Facebook page and start following links.
|
||
|
7 Feb 2010, 03:12 (Ref:2628336) | #131 | ||
Race Official
20KPINAL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 23,392
|
You could always post what's happening here, that's what this forum is for; dissemination of information.
|
||
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying." Colin Chapman. |
7 Feb 2010, 03:20 (Ref:2628339) | #132 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
Thanks for the offer. I have my own agenda, and acting as an unpaid news aggregator is not why I populate message boards. I'm working channels for other reasons, and you just got a big free nugget as it is.
|
||
|
7 Feb 2010, 03:23 (Ref:2628342) | #133 | ||
Race Official
20KPINAL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 23,392
|
I'm not a Facebook subscriber, so dish up Jagtech.
|
||
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying." Colin Chapman. |
7 Feb 2010, 03:57 (Ref:2628354) | #134 | ||||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,229
|
Quote:
Quote:
The Hulman/George clan can be tight with Dallara, but if the teams people care about decide to go a different direction, what are they going to do? Lock them out of the Indy 500? We're getting fleeting glimpses of 1978 again. If the teams decide to go a bold new direction, there are legions of fans who would come back. If not, things will continue in the direction of the last few years, including declining attendance and ratings, and lots of excuses for why, ignoring the real reasons. |
||||
|
7 Feb 2010, 23:36 (Ref:2628901) | #135 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,965
|
|||
|
8 Feb 2010, 00:08 (Ref:2628915) | #136 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
So Pruett writes that article, and keep in mind he hangs out with these guys. I think he went way over the top, but he's not making the issue up out of thin air.
Somebody at Panther Racing reads it, and puts up a link to it on their Facebook page with the note "Great article by our friend Marshall Pruett". A couple of people complain, word gets around in the gossip pages, and does Panther Racing simply push a button and remove the posting from their page? Nope. I'd say that's an endorsement for the article, and for Panther's support of the issue. They seem not to be happy that Dallara and the IICS stole the thunder of the DeltaWing's upcoming preview. Think Ganassi is happy? Other teams have previously voiced support for the Delta initiative: anybody else p*ssed? The political and financial incentives offered by Dallara will not be ignored, and they will get the contract. The question then becomes...how do the team owners react to the decision? A lot more should come out between now and Wednesday, when the Delta model is unwrapped. Expect some more thunder. |
||
|
8 Feb 2010, 02:01 (Ref:2628967) | #137 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
Here's one more bit I just cane across today. The "Managing Director" working with Ben Bowlby is Dan Partel. Looking at his background, he's not specifically a race car designer. Maybe that means something, we'll see.
|
||
|
8 Feb 2010, 12:23 (Ref:2629244) | #138 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,965
|
Lola makes Indycar proposal
Quote:
If only we could see Dallara, Delta Wing, Lola and Swift racing against each other. Then I would care. |
|||
|
8 Feb 2010, 15:47 (Ref:2629330) | #139 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
Yep, that's part of what caught my eye about Dan Partel. Guess who left his job as head of Lola Cars, just as the IRL was selecting chassis suppliers in 2002? Bingo.
He stated that Lola had invested $750K in that design, and it's not clear whether he left by choice or was released. Some peoples' feelings got hurt in that situation regardless. Lola apparently has come back for another taste. Now Partel is mentioned by John Orevicz of ESPN as Delta's "Managing Director". Hmmmmmmm...... Also on his resume is experience in forming and operating a spec racing series, and advancing the racing careers of young talent he has spotted. Hmmmmmm.... I presume that Chip Gannassi is signing Partel's pay check, I know that he signs Bowlby's...who also came from Lola. Several other owners have endorsed the Delta project. Panther racing issued public support for Pruett's scathing article against the IndyCar management and Dallara. Hmmmmm..... And Mr. Dallara's Friday statement confirms negotiated incentives offered to the IndyCar management and the city of Indianapolis. I say "no way" will anybody else gets serious consideration for approval. IndyCar doesn't want more than one supplier for cost containment reasons, and there won't be a big enough market to support other builders even if more were accepted. Think Falcon, 2002. Poof. Never even got a car completed for lack of funding, and no one willing to place an order to try out the new kid's toy. That lost a couple of people a lot more than $750K. All of this says to me that if the Delta flies, it will be because a group of present team owners decide that the future is in there hands, not in the offices of IndyCar. Public reaction to any of the choices offered by any of the participants isn't going to change that. All the renderings, and even the Delta model to be previewed, are little more than pretty pictures. The political fallout may not be. All of that is supposition on my part, based on the facts on the ground. I will be delighted if my supposition is dead wrong. My contact request issued to Mr. Partel has not been answered yet. I'm sure he's busy talking to somebody. Andy |
||
|
8 Feb 2010, 18:47 (Ref:2629441) | #140 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,244
|
|||
__________________
"On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit.' And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." -Ayrton Senna |
8 Feb 2010, 19:00 (Ref:2629446) | #141 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,311
|
How would you like to be the new CEO of the Izod IndyCar Series today?
You know, the man who is responsible for the oversight of both the marketing and competition divisions, who has zero motorsports experience and one week on the job so far? Now he gets to ride herd. Over competing manufacturers, fans with split opinions, and team owners with a vested interest in the outcome of the decision. And no engine spec for any new car to be built around. All while the fate of 2010 and 2011 are being ignored. Andy |
||
|
8 Feb 2010, 20:10 (Ref:2629498) | #142 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,767
|
Quote:
|
||
|
8 Feb 2010, 20:14 (Ref:2629500) | #143 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,780
|
Yeah the second one is very nice! Although I just wish they would incorporate the front wheel protecing element into a traditional front wing or something.
I still think they should just let Dallara, Swift and Delta Wing to all build the cars and let them compete though... |
||
__________________
'My lovely horse, running through the fields! Where are you going, with your fetlocks blowing in the wind?' |
8 Feb 2010, 23:49 (Ref:2629595) | #144 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,965
|
I must say I like both of those Swift proposals about 100 times more than Dallara's.
|
||
|
9 Feb 2010, 00:02 (Ref:2629599) | #145 | |||||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 1,965
|
More on the Swift proposals:
http://www.16thandgeorgetown.com/201...more-info.html At least there's some innovation in their proposal, though not sure I like the idea of gaudy lights all over the bodywork... Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
|
9 Feb 2010, 00:35 (Ref:2629615) | #146 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,064
|
I like them more than the Dallara chassis, but again to me they just look like they've gone too far with the tarting up. I like the idea of innovation but I don't see why that can't be an evolution of existing ideas rather than just throwing everything at it & hoping that it sticks. Current single seater wings look like they do for a reason, the engine has been covered for the last 30 years for a reason...I just think that it is possible to come up with something that still looks like a single seater as we know it, whilst still being different to anything else on the market.
|
||
__________________
RIP Dan Wheldon, 1978-2011. 2005 & 2011 Indy 500 champion, 2005 Indycar champion RIP Marco Simoncelli, 1987-2011. 2008 250cc champion |
9 Feb 2010, 01:28 (Ref:2629636) | #147 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,892
|
The first Swift proposal has too much the F1-type wing sculpting for my taste.
The second one looks great, except that it needs a low nose; I've honestly never gotten used to or really liked the high noses with the wings hung underneath them. |
||
__________________
The only certainty is that nothing is certain. |
9 Feb 2010, 01:43 (Ref:2629646) | #148 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,767
|
I believe it's the same car with two configurations.
|
|
|
9 Feb 2010, 18:13 (Ref:2630049) | #149 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,780
|
I expected them to go for a Formula Nippon style front wing, it provides protection from the front of the wheels and provides more ad space:
http://www.swiftengineering.com/motorsports.shtml And the Formula Nippon car is possibly one of the best looking Single Seater cars since the Lola Champcar. |
||
__________________
'My lovely horse, running through the fields! Where are you going, with your fetlocks blowing in the wind?' |
9 Feb 2010, 18:28 (Ref:2630061) | #150 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,536
|
swift is on to some thing
the dallara may be a tried and true builder and chassis, but the designs aren't moving forward enough (except the delta shaped car with bumper style endplates..and thas not very charming looking.) the formula nippon car is very nice. i would tweak the front wing ... but does any one want Indy car which should be an Apex/Pinnacle/end step form of racing to look like a smaller feeder formula series? |
||
__________________
SuperTrucks rule- end of story. Listen to my ramblings! Follow my twitter @davidAET I am shameless ... |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Interesting Controversy in Today's Indy Star | Tim Northcutt | Indycar Series | 21 | 24 Apr 2010 01:17 |
Interesting 2006 Venue News in Indy Star | Tim Northcutt | IRL Indycar Series | 18 | 6 Apr 2005 01:24 |
From Indy Star - Another Bias?? | racinthestreets | ChampCar World Series | 11 | 17 Feb 2004 21:25 |
Interesting item about Franchittii | MolsonBoy | ChampCar World Series | 7 | 17 Aug 2002 10:16 |