Speed News: New Effort to Unify the Indy Racing League and Champ Car (Merged AGAIN) - Page 6

mountainstar · 27 May 2005, 08:06 (Ref:1311359)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

If the Champ Car head honchos at the time, around 1993-1994, hadn't spooked TG, he wouldn't have set it all in motion (first the silly demand for control and then initiating the split). Funny how just about every Champ Car diehard overlooks this.

Of course the facts are of little importance when it's easier to blame just one person though, right?

The only thing that spooked TG was himself in the mirror.

Tony George publicly declared his intent to takeover the show in 1991. The spooky stuff you're talking about is all part of the victimization ploy to keep himself from being seen as the bad guy(he failed).

As I have mentioned previously, instead of working from within like Bernie and F1, he instead went on the warpath and that is why you can place the blame at his doorstep.

Bob Riebe · 27 May 2005, 19:35 (Ref:1311854)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

The only thing that spooked TG was himself in the mirror.

Tony George publicly declared his intent to takeover the show in 1991. The spooky stuff you're talking about is all part of the victimization ploy to keep himself from being seen as the bad guy(he failed).

As I have mentioned previously, instead of working from within like Bernie and F1, he instead went on the warpath and that is why you can place the blame at his doorstep.

Mountainstar, bs revisionist history is still bs.
Enough official articles and cut-and-pastes of them, on sites like this, have been published that even you should know that what blew CART and George apart was not the fault of one person.
Wanting it to be that way is a bit obtuse.

Bob

Amar7605 · 28 May 2005, 14:10 (Ref:1312592)

This AP article tries to speculate what it would be like if Champ Car and the IRL merged. Read it and see what you think!

http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

luke · 28 May 2005, 14:45 (Ref:1312630)

All of it I agree with. And hopefully with in the next couple of years then hopefully we will have one series.

norman-normal · 28 May 2005, 16:28 (Ref:1312700)

Much of the article I agree with however, it doesn't consider the fact that Cosworth does not manufacture cars and could only profit from the sale of engines; as such could not afford to $$upport teams in the Toyota Honda tradition.

T.G.& the IRL crowd seem to be possesed by this provincial American dislike of anything un-American including un-American Americans. Also they fail to notice American companys support international motor racing eg, AMD, hp, Bud, ect,.

TG has spent $250M more on the IRL than it has taken in (conservitive est) and the light at the end of the tunnel looks like KK comming on hard and fast.

Champ Cars and IRL have both turned corners, but they are going in differant directions

Bob Riebe · 28 May 2005, 16:54 (Ref:1312713)

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Originally Posted by Amar7605

This AP article tries to speculate what it would be like if Champ Car and the IRL merged. Read it and see what you think!

http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

There is a bridge in Brookly these boys should invest in.

They are blowing smoke from those funny cigarettes.

Bob

sgw2 · 28 May 2005, 18:16 (Ref:1312757)

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Originally Posted by norman-normal

Much of the article I agree with however, it doesn't consider the fact that Cosworth does not manufacture cars and could only profit from the sale of engines; as such could not afford to $$upport teams in the Toyota Honda tradition.

T.G.& the IRL crowd seem to be possesed by this provincial American dislike of anything un-American including un-American Americans. Also they fail to notice American companys support international motor racing eg, AMD, hp, Bud, ect,.

TG has spent $250M more on the IRL than it has taken in (conservitive est) and the light at the end of the tunnel looks like KK comming on hard and fast.

Champ Cars and IRL have both turned corners, but they are going in differant directions

This is an old and false arguement. Jon Vannini used it, then Pook, when trying to go European International. But it failed and CART went belly up. Now it lives off the largess of Kalkhoven.

In fact the marketing divisions of US companies that sponsor F1 are the European ones not the US ones. As CART/CCWS went off shore, now over half their races, sponsorship dwindled while NASCAR soared and IRL stayed flat. Even Toyota switched largely because of the domestic versus foriegn market issue (TRD is funded by Toyota Sales USA).

A funny parallel has occurred in F1. As F1 has added more non-European races the secondary sponsors have dried up and rates asked for signage have fallen. Its the same reason, if you race beyond the Sales region of your sponsor they lose interest, nevermond that in theory another division of the company may benefit (but isn't paying for it).

One would think that a quick look at the sides of NASCAR and IRL cars and then at CCWS and F1 would pretty much settle this issue. Where is Jon Vannini now?

norman-normal · 28 May 2005, 19:20 (Ref:1312787)

That really kinda figures, when you don't think about it.

BootsOntheSide · 28 May 2005, 20:07 (Ref:1312809)

That article seems realistic, and would certianly make for a good outcome. In the shrot-term at least, awarding seperate road-racing and oval titles alongside the main oen would surely please the purists on both sides.

sr230772 · 30 May 2005, 08:44 (Ref:1314421)

dream on this merge wont happen for along time

Kicking-back · 30 May 2005, 08:50 (Ref:1314425)

The excellent Indy 500 yesterday whetted my appetite for how good things could be with one series.

enemy-ace · 30 May 2005, 16:43 (Ref:1314828)

Interesting news bit i just heard on the Fan590 (Toronto Sports Radio). They say sources say that the IRL and Champ Car are in discussion to run 6 races together next year. The races being Texas, Chicago, Long Beach, Toronto, Mexico and The Indy 500.

Kicking-back · 30 May 2005, 16:44 (Ref:1314830)

They'd need to have the same chassis and engines for that.

StickShift · 30 May 2005, 16:50 (Ref:1314833)

Why Chicago? *shrug* Milwaukee would make more sense.

icemachine · 30 May 2005, 16:53 (Ref:1314837)

I heard those same six being announced on 680 News in Toronto. Seems like they finally gotten their act together. However they didn't mention anything about chassis or engines

macdaddy · 30 May 2005, 16:54 (Ref:1314838)

Perhaps because Milwaukee would lose a racedate, as both series are currently scheduled to run there independantly next year.

Tim Northcutt · 30 May 2005, 16:57 (Ref:1314839)

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Originally Posted by StickShift

Why Chicago? *shrug* Milwaukee would make more sense.

Milwaukee would make sense since it is on both Series' schedules, but Chicagoland provides incredible racing...It would be one Hell of an event!!!!

enemy-ace · 30 May 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1314840)

Both series already run at Milwaukee. As well all the races mentioned seem to be hot tickets for each series.

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

They'd need to have the same chassis and engines for that.

Who knows maybe an interim formula could be reached, ie. detuned Turbos, aero tweaks? Largely speculation of course; I personally don't expect anything to come of this, but it's a nice dream!

luke · 30 May 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1314854)

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Originally Posted by enemy-ace

Interesting news bit i just heard on the Fan590 (Toronto Sports Radio). They say sources say that the IRL and Champ Car are in discussion to run 6 races together next year. The races being Texas, Chicago, Long Beach, Toronto, Mexico and The Indy 500.

This is great news, I hope it is not just a rumor. If they come back together for as stated 6 races then that will for sure must mean a merge is on the horizon.

Which is fantastic news!

StickShift · 30 May 2005, 17:26 (Ref:1314858)

If these six races were to happen, I'd imagine that Champ Car would lean over and use the IRL equipment.

To be honest, if they are willing to unite for six races in 2006, why not an entire season?

icemachine · 30 May 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1314864)

I imagine Texas, Chicago and Indy would be run using IRL equipment while LB, Mexico and Toronto courses would run with CCWS equipment

StickShift · 30 May 2005, 17:37 (Ref:1314865)

I really doubt that. Why buy two sets of equipment, when you could only buy one?

As well, Ford-Cosworth already have an IRL engine.

icemachine · 30 May 2005, 17:47 (Ref:1314876)

It would make sense to run each series equipment at their own tracks to me. I can't see the smaller teams being able to run the three extra races outside their respective series, and to shut the smaller teams out from their own tracks would not be smart. Can you imagine L.B. without Mi-Jack, DCR, HVM or RuSport?

luke · 30 May 2005, 19:27 (Ref:1314984)

Looking at the Champ Car tracks: Long Beach, Toronto and Mexico City.....they have all been eyed by the IRL as races so there seems to be a logic to this.
I would have thought Champ Car would wanted to run at Brooklyn and Fontana but Chicagoland is in Septemeber when on the current Champ Car schedule there is only Las Vegas as a race in that month.

enemy-ace · 30 May 2005, 20:52 (Ref:1315090)

It would appear from further info from the aforementioned radio station is that the venues mentioned are prime sponsor markets. Money talks!
If nothing else lets hope they are least talking.

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