Club F3 - Page 6

driftwood · 18 May 2006, 11:56 (Ref:1613393)

sadly it was 3 entries so far
why who knows? i can only guess on the following

1 drivers dont have the extra quiet silencers required for Coomb? another extra dent to the race budget
2 drivers dont like the circuit
3 entry fees rising making the budget tight and people choosing the tracks they want to run at

there are enough F3 cars out there and so far 15 cars have run at the 1st 2 rounds with another 5 cars due to come out with new owners for donington

JohnMiller · 18 May 2006, 12:36 (Ref:1613433)

They BRSCC expected 13-16 cars in 2006 but Combe are on record as saying no grids below 20.

As it's in its first year, you have to question why they put Combe on the calendar bearing the above.

Steve Burns · 18 May 2006, 12:46 (Ref:1613445)

The entry fee was actually lower than last year. It was also lower than the average race entry fee if you take into account pounds per minute. £300 for a 25 minute qualifying and 2 x 25 minute races.

Sadly only 3 cars had entered at closing date with additional prospective entries struggling to get into double figures, which is a shame since they are great cars.

18-20+ entries would be needed for the races to be viable, not just financially but also for the spectators and marshals who expect to see full grids.

2 Open races for Single Seaters and Sports/Saloons have been scheduled to fill the gap, and these are filling rapidly (both now have in excess of 20 entries since being announced yesterday morning). See the other thread for more details.

Steve Lowdon · 18 May 2006, 12:46 (Ref:1613446)

Well last meeting there were only 8 TVR's running,can't imagine it's that.

Steve Burns · 18 May 2006, 17:03 (Ref:1613604)

Actually Steve there were 12 TVR's at the last meeting, although that was less than expected. The main difference is that the Tuscan race was added to the schedule fairly late (filling a gap) as they were desperate for a race at Castle Combe (TVR's have always been a favourite feature in Wiltshire) and they only had a 10 lap race scheduled, which was put at the end of the day.

driftwood · 18 May 2006, 17:21 (Ref:1613615)

and no doubt 12 cars entertained the crowd

Steve Lowdon · 18 May 2006, 17:40 (Ref:1613639)

Driftwood..........was that a note of sarcasm !!

Larry J-Croft · 18 May 2006, 19:31 (Ref:1613711)

Right at the start of this thread I said I was interested in Club F3. Looks like I did the right thing staying in Mono !! - A full grid for the Championship race plus a second race for less than half price. All we need now is to get the Combe club to run more of these scratch races and I'll be really happy (my local circuit).

driftwood · 19 May 2006, 08:22 (Ref:1614034)

amazingly i was not being sarcastic !!
5 tvr tuscans can keep a crowd entertained !!

gixxer · 19 May 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1614061)

where as 12 F3 would more than likely be follow the leader and not a lot of overtaking,if the interest for a club version of f3 was wanted surley the drivers would support it in this case it seems not.
Still i do like f3 but i'd rather watch what combe is planning to run now more lots of different cars and speeds makes for exciting racing,like Larry i'd like to see more of this type if it fills the grid bring it on that's just what us spectators want to see

Ian Sowman · 19 May 2006, 09:21 (Ref:1614071)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixxer

where as 12 F3 would more than likely be follow the leader and not a lot of overtaking...

Take a look at the Motors TV coverage of the first round at Silverstone tonight. Only a 14-car grid, but quite entertaining.

mark77 · 19 May 2006, 10:26 (Ref:1614122)

I understand the next round planned for Castle Combe has been cancelled due to lack of entrants

driftwood · 19 May 2006, 10:48 (Ref:1614128)

Mark 77
If u where as fast on the race track as u are on this thread u would still be in the pits see the begining of the tread!!!

Re a race u only need 2 cars to "make" a race but its always better to have 20 or so a su should in theory get more cars racing!!

However the coomb entry level is not a reflection on Club F3 i suspect more to do with ££ and silencer noise issues

expect bigger grid at donington round

The mono guys warble on about full grids etc but when push comes to shove i would rather race f3 car than mono spec car

mark77 · 19 May 2006, 12:04 (Ref:1614164)

Driftwood sorry teach me to miss a page out.

Shame about the race though - was looking forward to seeing them

Larry J-Croft · 19 May 2006, 12:26 (Ref:1614183)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

Mark 77
If u where as fast on the race track as u are on this thread u would still be in the pits see the begining of the tread!!!

Re a race u only need 2 cars to "make" a race but its always better to have 20 or so a su should in theory get more cars racing!!

However the coomb entry level is not a reflection on Club F3 i suspect more to do with ££ and silencer noise issues

expect bigger grid at donington round

The mono guys warble on about full grids etc but when push comes to shove i would rather race f3 car than mono spec car

Er - but the Combe races are to the same noise limits as any other circuit - does this mean that the Club F3 cars are usually illegal?? Also the entry fee is pretty good and goes down (ie you get a refund) the more cars on the grid. As for warbling - yes we do get good grids and close racing so who cares if my F3 car runs a stock engine rather than a strangled tuned one, its the fun that counts.

driftwood · 19 May 2006, 12:32 (Ref:1614189)

noise limit at coombe is lower and FAR stricter than else where
RAC limit is 108 dba
coombe is 2 or 3 dba lower
each track has its own leeway subject to its planning consent and can let cars run 2 or 3 dba over
plus the have international races where it is free
u cant get that at coombe
why do u think they had the court case F3/GT circus is not going there Duh !!
why run a mono car at 40 mm ride ehight when it was designed to run at 18-35 wings in wrong place as is suspension set up rollcentre CofG etc

the engine is irrelevent the car is in the wrong place from its design
f3 cars run 3-5 secs lap faster at donington no doubt 2-3 around coombe

Suze · 19 May 2006, 12:41 (Ref:1614196)

The noise limit at Combe is regulated a lot stricter than anyone where else.

Jon Gray · 19 May 2006, 13:11 (Ref:1614209)

As I race in Club F3 I was looking forward to Castle Combe and it’s a shame it had to be cancelled. I believe from the circuit this was based on the number of entrants. What did not help was we lost a couple of cars from Rockingham with crash and engine damage but Donnington should be a lot better.

For the record my car is 105 DB how you wonder because the exhaust is in the side pop. Some of the older cars have a problem because the exhaust goes over the gearbox and under the rear wing so space is the limiting factor.

Redracer77 · 19 May 2006, 14:35 (Ref:1614255)

jon are you going to do the race at Combe anyway?

Steve Burns · 19 May 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1614256)

The noise limit at Castle Combe for all Racedays and Pre-Race test days is 108dBA, as per the Club F3 Championship Regulations, so noise should not be a problem. Although the 108dBA is strictly enforced, due to the local planning restriction that the circuit must comply with.

Other days are either 105dBA or 100dBA.

Larry J-Croft · 19 May 2006, 14:42 (Ref:1614260)

Driftwood et al:

The noise limit for racing at Combe on Monday the 29 May is 108 db. If you don't believe me ring them up as I have just done.

Yes they are sensitive about it and check carefully but so do many other circuits - I know I have raced at most of them regularly over the last ten years.

As for your other remarks I would still rather race with 25 other cars competitively and have fun irrespective of what ride height etc I am running. - you only need to be just faster than the next car to win. Lap times only win sprints.

I always find it amazing how emotive people can become about other peolpes race series.

driftwood · 19 May 2006, 15:05 (Ref:1614274)

ive run 5 dba over limit at snet in practise as circuit is not so sensitive
u couldnt do that at coomb due to the planning restraints so to comply with coomb u need to make a super silencer that is well under the noise limit
the static test is worthless we F3 cars have to sit in gear dip clutch hold lever to take the gbox rattle away just to get a true exhaust reading
porsche ssuffer same problemin track day static tests and can fail 98 dba yet on drive by are 10-15 dba under!!

but its ok for a plane to fly over at 180000 feet to make noise or street carnival or a football match which im sure will be over the race car limit
sadly the world has gone mad

im not emotive over my race series i just know i want to race a car in its original design format whether its f3 Ff1600 sports car or F1

Jon Gray · 19 May 2006, 15:30 (Ref:1614287)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redracer77

jon are you going to do the race at Combe anyway?

I did think about it but the answer is no it's a long way for me and with Donnington coming up I would prefere to test

JohnMiller · 19 May 2006, 17:12 (Ref:1614337)

I've no idea what dba my car is as it isn't ready. Should be out for Donny though.

Jon Gray · 19 May 2006, 17:24 (Ref:1614341)

John if you want to borrow my noise meter send me a email and we can sort somthing out.

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