Will Danica ever win a race? - Page 6

luke · 6 Sep 2007, 18:01 (Ref:2005466)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Interesting that she qualified on the front row at sonoma and mid ohio and that this system "has been used for the last few races" hmmmmmmm........

Oh I agree.

luke · 6 Sep 2007, 20:16 (Ref:2005618)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Ok, I give up! Despite repeating multiple times that per Barnhart Danica has NOT used the new device in a race, some of y'all are still going on about how the IRL will "stop at nothing" to get her a race win.

Apparently the IRL will stop at something and that something is to not give this to her during a race.

I know, it just takes all the fun out of it for all you Conspiracy Theorists out there as I suppose that a thread titled: "The IRL Will Stop at Nothing to get Darren Manning a Win" just doesn't have the right sound to it.

Of course there is always the weight rule which, if driver weight meant anything than Sam Hornish should never ever win a race...

But go on ahead with the conspiracy thing as facts don't seem to be troubling you too very much...

Oh, and thank you luke for clarifying that you are not actually mountainstar - I am sure he is relieved to hear that!

NO. I never said that Danicar used the power steering 'device' during Belle Isle. I did say what a big advantage it would be on a 2 hour street race.

And No. We didn't say Manning was OK with this as well this. this thread is about Danica not Manning.

If I was a IRL driver I would be very annoyed.

Danica has a 50 pound weight advantage but still can't win a race despite all her chances as she just makes mistakes. On a road course when driver talent is required at it's maximum Danica qualified for the race in the middle of the field at her best performances. When she was testing the 'new power-assist steering' at Mid-Ohio & Sears Point... Danica qualified on the front row of the grid. Amazing considering she struggled before at them.

Other Indy Racing League drivers wern't aware she was running the 'new power-assist steering' in races (other than Manning) and were understandably angry when they found out last weekend at the Detroit Indy Grand Prix at Belle Isle.

When it was removed from her car in Detroit she qualified at mid-pack and 2 full seconds off the pace.

I'm annoyed that big and strong drivers wont have their advantage they earned now that it will be easier to steer and drive for all in 2008. I wish the IRL weighed the drivers and race cars in one and use weight-ballast to make everyone equal.

Knowlesy · 6 Sep 2007, 20:31 (Ref:2005628)

I think big and strong drivers have an unfair advantage and that this should be evened up. They should either be forced to lose muscle or drive with 5p pieces for steering wheels. It's as ludicrous as being lighter than others!

luke · 6 Sep 2007, 20:39 (Ref:2005637)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

I think big and strong drivers have an unfair advantage and that this should be evened up. They should either be forced to lose muscle or drive with 5p pieces for steering wheels. It's as ludicrous as being lighter than others!

Do small/light people earn being small/light? Don't think so..Like I said those that worked hard to be fit and stronger to endure race conditions along with skill won't be needed in 2008. Certainly not the level of before.

Knowlesy · 6 Sep 2007, 20:42 (Ref:2005641)

A crying shame.

luke · 6 Sep 2007, 21:01 (Ref:2005659)

Oh definately.

NAC · 6 Sep 2007, 21:06 (Ref:2005661)

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Originally Posted by luke

NO. I never said that Danicar used the power steering 'device' during Belle Isle. I did say what a big advantage it would be on a 2 hour street race.

And No. We didn't say Manning was OK with this as well this. this thread is about Danica not Manning.

If I was a IRL driver I would be very annoyed.

Danica has a 50 pound weight advantage but still can't win a race despite all her chances as she just makes mistakes. On a road course when driver talent is required at it's maximum Danica qualified for the race in the middle of the field at her best performances. When she was testing the 'new power-assist steering' at Mid-Ohio & Sears Point... Danica qualified on the front row of the grid. Amazing considering she struggled before at them.

Other Indy Racing League drivers wern't aware she was running the 'new power-assist steering' in races (other than Manning) and were understandably angry when they found out last weekend at the Detroit Indy Grand Prix at Belle Isle.

When it was removed from her car in Detroit she qualified at mid-pack and 2 full seconds off the pace.

I'm annoyed that big and strong drivers wont have their advantage they earned now that it will be easier to steer and drive for all in 2008. I wish the IRL weighed the drivers and race cars in one and use weight-ballast to make everyone equal.

Luke, you are on the money here. I almost wanted to cut and past it and won it as my own.

JohnSSC · 7 Sep 2007, 09:52 (Ref:2005941)

I think the grids should be handicapped based on:

1) Team Budget
2) Driver Weight
3) Driver IQ
4) Driver's Cardiovascular Stress Test Results

I mean luke is right! Is it fair that Dario drives for a well funded team and gets everything he needs? Is it fair that Danica has smaller feet so she can operate the pedals more effectively? Is it fair that Manning is taller and can see over the bodywork more easily? Is it fair that TK is both quick and smart? Is it fair that Helio is good-looking and lighter than Sam Hornish?

No! None of this is fair! That is why there should be a Department of the Handicapper General. someone should be adding ballast, taking away brain cells, and spreading the cash fairly.

You know, for all the blather I read about fair and let the best driver/team win, reading the above is like reading something from a Vonnegut short story. But no, we are treated to missives about the dreaded weight advantage. Well, if that were the determining factor (or even a principal factor) than the heavier drivers should almost never win and the lighter drivers should almost never lose.

Of course if anyone cares to explain how Michael Andretti could be the all-time race win leader in the CART days and he raced at over 180, or how AJ Foyt could have won at his weight as many races as he did over lighter drivers, please feel free to fill me in on that "anomaly."

So based on weight, Dixon at 5' 10" and 150 lbs vs Dario Franchitti at 5' 9" and 155 lbs, Dario stands no chance at Chicagoland Sunday. Game Over. How did that tub 'o lard Franchitti ever win a race? It just isn't fair!

luke · 7 Sep 2007, 10:07 (Ref:2005950)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

I think the grids should be handicapped based on:

1) Team Budget
2) Driver Weight
3) Driver IQ
4) Driver's Cardiovascular Stress Test Results

I mean luke is right! Is it fair that Dario drives for a well funded team and gets everything he needs? Is it fair that Danica has smaller feet so she can operate the pedals more effectively? Is it fair that Manning is taller and can see over the bodywork more easily? Is it fair that TK is both quick and smart? Is it fair that Helio is good-looking and lighter than Sam Hornish?

No! None of this is fair! That is why there should be a Department of the Handicapper General. someone should be adding ballast, taking away brain cells, and spreading the cash fairly.

You know, for all the blather I read about fair and let the best driver/team win, reading the above is like reading something from a Vonnegut short story. But no, we are treated to missives about the dreaded weight advantage. Well, if that were the determining factor (or even a principal factor) than the heavier drivers should almost never win and the lighter drivers should almost never lose.

Of course if anyone cares to explain how Michael Andretti could be the all-time race win leader in the CART days and he raced at over 180, or how AJ Foyt could have won at his weight as many races as he did over lighter drivers, please feel free to fill me in on that "anomaly."

So based on weight, Dixon at 5' 10" and 150 lbs vs Dario Franchitti at 5' 9" and 155 lbs, Dario stands no chance at Chicagoland Sunday. Game Over. How did that tub 'o lard Franchitti ever win a race? It just isn't fair!

Ridiculous.

In other series they weigh both drivers and car so it's all the same. You just made a mountain out of a mole hill.

NAC · 7 Sep 2007, 10:11 (Ref:2005953)

Again Luke on the money.

I have to say though we are off topic.

Will Danica ever win a race?

JohnSSC · 7 Sep 2007, 10:35 (Ref:2005973)

I made a mountain out of a mole hill? There has been quite a bit of banging on about unfair advantages, and if we are discussing whether a driver or any driver will win a race than this is certainly on topic.

So I would posit that when painting anything as "ridiculous" one may find that using such a brush may cover more than the posts that one disagrees with.

Mystery · 7 Sep 2007, 13:24 (Ref:2006090)

Do you two want to get a private forum to yourselves and have a fight to the death? That's about 4 threads I've read today that have become arguments. Let's all settle down and enjoy a nice calming Friday. Ahhhhhhh

NAC · 7 Sep 2007, 13:26 (Ref:2006092)

Danica on winning

Quote:

"For one, I'm competing against guys so right off the bat it's different.

"I'm not so worried about that first win, I want it to come, I want it to be over with but I've been racing up front every weekend and that's a big relief for me because the wins will come.

http://yahooxtra.net.nz/sport/0,,14594-7854202,00.html

luke · 7 Sep 2007, 15:01 (Ref:2006147)

Well atleast she never lacks self belief.

luke · 7 Sep 2007, 15:02 (Ref:2006148)

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Originally Posted by NAC

Again Luke on the money.

I have to say though we are off topic.

Will Danica ever win a race?

Thanks.

And I do believe she can win one day. But under 'different' circumstances to a normal race. However she is in a top team and valuable set up and experience at her feet. I'm sure Vitor Meria would have won this year if he had the seat. But like I said; we'll see.

mountainstar · 7 Sep 2007, 15:22 (Ref:2006156)

To put all this in perspective, she has never won a car race of any kind. Ever.

Davhut · 7 Sep 2007, 18:25 (Ref:2006270)

I wouldn't bet my pay on it.

paul-collins · 7 Sep 2007, 20:14 (Ref:2006368)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

To put all this in perspective, she has never won a car race of any kind. Ever.

Toyota Pro-Celeb 2002?

NAC · 7 Sep 2007, 20:18 (Ref:2006371)

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Originally Posted by paul-collins

Toyota Pro-Celeb 2002?

Who's the puppy

luke · 7 Sep 2007, 22:52 (Ref:2006449)

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Originally Posted by paul-collins

Toyota Pro-Celeb 2002?

Good job she beat non racers really!

**Adam43** · 7 Sep 2007, 23:05 (Ref:2006458)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

To put all this in perspective, she has never won a car race of any kind. Ever.

As someone who doesn't know her career intimately, I wonder, is this a fact?

(joke pro-celeb aside)

luke · 7 Sep 2007, 23:19 (Ref:2006461)

I believe it is Adam.

We know she had a highish postion at the Formula Ford Festival at Brands Hatch one year because there was a last lap crash but I don't believe she has ever won a race, not even in karting?

mountainstar · 7 Sep 2007, 23:20 (Ref:2006463)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

As someone who doesn't know her career intimately, I wonder, is this a fact?

(joke pro-celeb aside)

Yup. Some second places in formula ford and atlantic and that's it.

NAC · 7 Sep 2007, 23:31 (Ref:2006470)

Racing Career Highlights
Third in Formula Toyota Atlantic 2004.
Runner up in Formula Ford Festival 2000.

2007
IRL IndyCar Series
16 races. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 3 podiums. 1 fastest lap.

2006
IRL IndyCar Series
Championship position: 9 (302 points)
13 races. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 0 podiums.

2005
IRL IndyCar Series
Championship position: 12 (325 points)
17 races. 0 wins. 3 pole positions. 0 podiums.

2004
Formula Toyota Atlantic
Championship position: 3 (269 points)
12 races. 0 wins. 1 pole position. 3 podiums.

2003
American Le Mans Series GTS
Championship position: 23 (10 points)
1 race. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 0 podiums.

Formula Toyota Atlantic
Championship position: 6 (109 points)
12 races. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 2 podiums.

2002
Barber Dodge Pro Series
Championship position: 13 (35 points)
5 races. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 0 podiums.

2001
UK Formula Ford Championship
Championship position: 25 (10 points)
? races. ? wins. ? pole positions. ? podiums.

2000
European Formula Ford Championship
Championship position: no position
? races. ? wins. ? pole positions. ? podiums.

Formula Ford Festival
Race position: 2.

UK Formula Ford Championship
Championship position: 19 (3 points)
4 races. 0 wins. 0 pole positions. 0 podiums.

1999
Formula Vauxhall
Championship position: 9 (31 points)
? races. ? wins. ? pole positions. ? podiums.

Source
http://www.driverdb.com/racingdriver229.html

Speaks for itself really

**Adam43** · 7 Sep 2007, 23:58 (Ref:2006485)

There are some ? However, danke.

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