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Fogelhund · 2 Feb 2012, 19:24 (Ref:3020598)

Chinese round announced now for October 27th.

Coach Ep · 2 Feb 2012, 19:30 (Ref:3020603)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Chinese round announced now for October 27th.

At Shanghai. Only one week before Chinese GP (ambitious by the track, otherwise I don´t care) and only two weeks after Fuji (and one week after Petit). Well done ACO...!

Simmi · 2 Feb 2012, 19:31 (Ref:3020604)

Lots of journalists worriedly tweeting about possible visa issues given the proximity with the Japanese round. Tough one logistically.

Victor_RO · 2 Feb 2012, 19:33 (Ref:3020607)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

At Shanghai. Only one week before Chinese GP (ambitious by the track, otherwise I don´t care) and only two weeks after Fuji (and one week after Petit). Well done ACO...!

Chinese GP is on April 15.

Deleted · 2 Feb 2012, 19:41 (Ref:3020612)

Zhuhai wasn't the greatest of venues but just a thought of Shanghai asphaltdrome makes me feel sleepy... and more "great" scheduling from ACO, blah.

TF110 · 2 Feb 2012, 20:03 (Ref:3020627)

Get over it, no PLM isn't the end of the world. I'd prefer them go to Austin Texas though instead of Bahrain.

Coach Ep · 2 Feb 2012, 20:29 (Ref:3020640)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Chinese GP is on April 15.

Oeps...

It´s the WTCC, still a World Championship!

fieldodreams79 · 2 Feb 2012, 20:34 (Ref:3020648)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Get over it, no PLM isn't the end of the world. I'd prefer them go to Austin Texas though instead of Bahrain.

This all depends on who's world we are talking about now doesn't it?

Rodger Davies · 2 Feb 2012, 21:59 (Ref:3020696)

which entrant requested Shanghai again? I'm sure one was saying they required it for the WEC entry.

Either way, a little disappointed if not surprised by that - boring circuit. Zhuhai might not be all that but it's got character, decent scenery and a sportscar racing heritage.

TF110 · 2 Feb 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3020705)

No PLM on the WEC calendar doesn't equal the end of the world for the WEC. How about that?

Also a lot of the tracks that have little 'soul' or 'character' are looked at like that because F1 and it's lack of passing. Sports cars may do a better job of livening up the circuit.

Nick6 · 2 Feb 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3020706)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Zhuhai wasn't the greatest of venues but just a thought of Shanghai asphaltdrome makes me feel sleepy... and more "great" scheduling from ACO, blah.

Sleepy? But we have the makings of a wonderful world championship season. Audi will sweep the top 2 steps of the podium every race by no less than 10 laps over 3th place. AF will 1-2 in similar fashion unless Proton gets lucky and all the amateur P2/GT2 Am drivers will either run off course, or into each other.

Rodger Davies · 2 Feb 2012, 23:47 (Ref:3020777)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Also a lot of the tracks that have little 'soul' or 'character' are looked at like that because F1 and it's lack of passing. Sports cars may do a better job of livening up the circuit.

Nah man, at Shanghai it's because of the smog and huge taarmac run-offs with no distinguishable scenery. It's just all so very grey!

TF110 · 3 Feb 2012, 07:56 (Ref:3020873)

At least it has a decent set of straights.

Deleted · 3 Feb 2012, 11:14 (Ref:3020959)

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Originally Posted by Nick6

Sleepy? But we have the makings of a wonderful world championship season. Audi will sweep the top 2 steps of the podium every race by no less than 10 laps over 3th place. AF will 1-2 in similar fashion unless Proton gets lucky and all the amateur P2/GT2 Am drivers will either run off course, or into each other.

I'm actually starting to think that apart from Le Mans & Sebring the ALMS and ELMS races should actually provide much better spectacle than the WEC ones.

Acid09 · 3 Feb 2012, 11:31 (Ref:3020965)

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Originally Posted by Nick6

Sleepy? But we have the makings of a wonderful world championship season. Audi will sweep the top 2 steps of the podium every race by no less than 10 laps over 3th place.

I highly doubt that they'll be able to kick Toyota around like that, don't be ridiculous.

The WEC is going to be great, no doubt.

alexkiller8 · 3 Feb 2012, 11:50 (Ref:3020970)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I'm actually starting to think that apart from Le Mans & Sebring the ALMS and ELMS races should actually provide much better spectacle than the WEC ones.

the ALMS for sure because of best GT grid and lmp1 fight of dyson against musclemilke, elms race i don't know how much will be good this year.

Nick6 · 4 Feb 2012, 08:23 (Ref:3021348)

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I highly doubt that they'll be able to kick Toyota around like that, don't be ridiculous.

The WEC is going to be great, no doubt.

The car is unproven, the drive train is unproven. I don't see Audi losing to Toyota this season unless 1) they run into issues or 2) they get BOP'ed.

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I'm actually starting to think that apart from Le Mans & Sebring the ALMS and ELMS races should actually provide much better spectacle than the WEC ones.

More cars and more pro drivers for one.

In WEC once you get over the mystique of racing in China or Bahrain all your left with is a grid full of amateur drivers with a few pros sprinkled in.

Acid09 · 4 Feb 2012, 12:40 (Ref:3021429)

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Originally Posted by Nick6

More cars and more pro drivers for one.

In WEC once you get over the mystique of racing in China or Bahrain all your left with is a grid full of amateur drivers with a few pros sprinkled in.

Jesus, still not over that PLM thing I see?

Yeah, amateur grid indeed:

Lotterer
Treluyer
McNish
Kristensen
Rockenfeller
Wurz
Lappiere
Nakajima
Collard
Brabham
Dumbreck
Chandhook
Heidfeld
Dalziel
Kaffer
Fisichella
Bertolini
Mücke
Lietz
etc.

And that's just going by the first named drivers largely. I'll let you do the math how many Le Mans wins, major championships and F1 races these drivers combine...

Simmi · 4 Feb 2012, 13:48 (Ref:3021458)

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Jesus, still not over that PLM thing I see?

Completely agree. Didn't realise the ALMS was the new F1.

FordCosworthPanoz · 4 Feb 2012, 13:59 (Ref:3021463)

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Completely agree. Didn't realise the ALMS was the new F1.

Looking at posts here, I thought that honor belonged to the mighty, glorious FIA World Endurance Championship.

Victor_RO · 4 Feb 2012, 14:04 (Ref:3021464)

Must we have to look at everything in sportscar racing nowadays as a potential recipe for unmitigated disaster?

fieldodreams79 · 4 Feb 2012, 14:30 (Ref:3021472)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Must we have to look at everything in sportscar racing nowadays as a potential recipe for unmitigated disaster?

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Completely agree. Didn't realise the ALMS was the new F1.

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Jesus, still not over that PLM thing I see?

Not just for people who live in the same climate zone as Road Atlanta like I do, PLM has become the second biggest "thing" in American sportscar racing ahead of the much longer standing Daytona 24 and other much older events. I told my dad last night that the PLM exclusion has a real chance at being the death nail for the track he saw just about every race from the day it opened until he got too busy with his boys and the track where we, as a family, spent many Saturdays growing up. It hurts.

I don't think anyone is saying the ALMS is the new F1 (at least I haven't and don't feel that way), but having been to PLM for over a decade straight, seeing it grow exponentially every single year only to have the ACO/FIA yank the rug from underneath it for whatever reason REALLY SUCKS for some of us. You people have to either understand that or come to grips with it.

I'm sure the WEC will be fine without it and I'll be at PLM this year, but it will be just "another ALMS race". Pardon me while I go cry into my coffee cup.

Acid09 · 4 Feb 2012, 15:12 (Ref:3021490)

Nobody blames you guys for being disappointed, I think we all are - Everybody would have liked to for the PLM to be part of the WEC if it was feasible - Which unfortunately it isn't.

There a different ways to deal with disappointment though. You can either take it as a man and move on our you can act like a spoiled child and use outrageous avatars that "nuke" the WEC & the ACO or make idiotic claims that the WEC grid is made up of largely amateur drivers.

Seriously, is this the Justin Bieber fan forum here? I thought we were all grown ups here, some people behave like heartbroken 12-year old girls instead...

I still don't understand how fans of sports car racing can wish bad on a promising new series because of one single race (!). It's just selfish if you ask me, you don't see Germans, Italians etc. throwing a hissy fit because they don't have a WEC round either.

alexkiller8 · 4 Feb 2012, 15:35 (Ref:3021504)

well, in my opinion is better like this. Road atlanta track is too short for more than 50 cars and as seen in 2011 race, track facilities and personal are not the top for an event like that, the race just become a sort of full yellow/caution endurance race.
The problem of WEC is (even if the date event were changed) that won't run in PLM but they (maybe) will run in bahrain

Marcel ten Caat · 4 Feb 2012, 15:48 (Ref:3021512)

Only way to ever see Petit Le Mans on the WEC calendar in the future is to increase the track length. Not going to happen...

Simple calculation makes it clearly visible that on the current 2.5 miles you can't have all FIA WEC + all ALMS cars. For Sebring no issue as it is 3.7 miles.

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