LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers - Page 65

Graham Goodwin · 1 Jan 2016, 16:28 (Ref:3601425)

The Alfa engine was a prod block engine from SR2 days

The Peugeot is the ages old WR PSA V6

Mader did run at Le mans in P2 - 2007 T2M's Dome Mader

Graham Goodwin · 1 Jan 2016, 16:31 (Ref:3601426)

The IES Nissan was seen in 3 litre and (I think) 3.4 litre versions, another prod block SR2 effort

Graham Goodwin · 1 Jan 2016, 16:41 (Ref:3601433)

You also missed the Lehmann VW 2 litre turbo from LMP675 through to, I think, 2004

A version of the IES V6 Nissan also appeared as a 120 degree V6 badged as a Willmann in the team Bucknum Pilbeam in ALMS

Roninho · 1 Jan 2016, 19:15 (Ref:3601469)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdave0

The 3.5 ecoboost was in Ganassi's Riley DP, although "P" class, not P2.

Thank you, you are correct. That was not a p2 but a DP. The ecoboost was also used by michael shank racing, which also was a DP. So that was incorrect in my list.

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Originally Posted by Graham Goodwinn

You also missed the Lehmann VW 2 litre turbo from LMP675 through to, I think, 2004

I have not seen that engine in the 2004 season, only in 2001-2002 in the USA and from 2000-2003 in LMS. Which was under the LMP675 rules, not LMP2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwinn

A version of the IES V6 Nissan also appeared as a 120 degree V6 badged as a Willmann in the team Bucknum Pilbeam in ALMS

I have seen a reference to a Willman V6 (a 3.4L), however that was called a Willman JPX by wiki. Is the JPX the same engine as the IES?
The engine was active in 2003 under LMP675 rules btw.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwinn

The IES Nissan was seen in 3 litre and (I think) 3.4 litre versions, another prod block SR2 effort

Wiki mentions 3 different Nissans in ALMS LMP675 in 2001.
a 3.0L V6 Nissan with engine type AER VQL 3.0L V6
a 3.4L V6 Nissan with engine type AER VQL 3.4L V6
a 3.4L V6 Nissan with engine type Nissan 3.4L V6

Since the engines type are different i assume these are 3 different engines. But i am not sure at all.

MoMedic9019 · 2 Jan 2016, 00:14 (Ref:3601521)

The IES was built in multiple configs. I was around Bucknum at the time... I actually roomed with Graham Dale Jones in 2004 at Sebring... interesting fellow.

MoMedic9019 · 2 Jan 2016, 00:16 (Ref:3601523)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

The IES Nissan was seen in 3 litre and (I think) 3.4 litre versions, another prod block SR2 effort

It was. The 3.4L didn't have enough mileage to finish Sebring following qualifying. We put a brand new motor in the night before the race in 2004..

Roninho · 2 Jan 2016, 16:50 (Ref:3601612)

Thank you for your reply.
Wiki lists the 2004 bucknum engine as "Nissan (AER) VQL 3.0 L V6".
So this is the IES engine?

And how did this work, IES used an AER engine and modified it?

MoMedic9019 · 2 Jan 2016, 17:39 (Ref:3601620)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roninho

Thank you for your reply.
Wiki lists the 2004 bucknum engine as "Nissan (AER) VQL 3.0 L V6".
So this is the IES engine?

And how did this work, IES used an AER engine and modified it?

AER modified the Nissan stock block for race use. IES bought the blocks from AER and built the engines.

Essentially, it was just the bare V6 block. IES then modified them for their particular design, and finished the race motor.

Mike E · 3 Jan 2016, 09:58 (Ref:3601735)

Appreciate the list of engines but does anyone else think this feels like an obituary? End of an era of open competition in this class.

I wonder how long it will last...

Roninho · 3 Jan 2016, 12:26 (Ref:3601768)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

AER modified the Nissan stock block for race use. IES bought the blocks from AER and built the engines.

Essentially, it was just the bare V6 block. IES then modified them for their particular design, and finished the race motor.

Thank you for the info!

Roninho · 3 Jan 2016, 12:44 (Ref:3601773)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike E

Appreciate the list of engines but does anyone else think this feels like an obituary? End of an era of open competition in this class.

I wonder how long it will last...

Yeah agreed. I'm not sure if spec engines is the way to go when your event is build on innovation, but we will see.

A bit related: anybody have a clue what has happened/will happen with all these engines? I imagine Honda and Porsche have kept their engines of the market, but what for the others?

Are they AER's, Nissans, Judds, zyteks, etc. just collecting dust?

Deleted · 3 Jan 2016, 12:50 (Ref:3601776)

The Zyteks (rebranded as 'Gibson') will be THE spec engine so no dust for them...

The rest will prob die because IMSA demands people to build OEM fake bodyworks too if you want to carry on with the engine IIRC, and people like Judd and AER and whomever ain't gonna bother

Mystery · 3 Jan 2016, 14:16 (Ref:3601791)

Is there room for them in VdeV cars or something? Not my specialist subject so I might be guessing!

Speed-King · 3 Jan 2016, 14:37 (Ref:3601800)

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Originally Posted by Mystery

Is there room for them in VdeV cars or something? Not my specialist subject so I might be guessing!

Naw, VdeV is almost exclusively the domain of the 2 Liter Honda K20 NA engine (and in many series by regulation rather than by default). There are efforts to move to a new engine as the Hondas are getting long in the tooth but nothing has been decided yet.

Roninho · 3 Jan 2016, 14:39 (Ref:3601802)

I dont know about the VdV regulations, but i imagine there must be dozens of engines from the list i provided that could provide for a nice race-class.

But i would guess that the running costs will be the issue. I mean, even if you get such an engine for free you will have to do very costly rebuilds after a while.

Roninho · 3 Jan 2016, 14:40 (Ref:3601804)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Naw, VdeV is almost exclusively the domain of the 2 Liter Honda K20 NA engine (and in many series by regulation rather than by default). There are efforts to move to a new engine as the Hondas are getting long in the tooth but nothing has been decided yet.

How much hp does the Honda have in VdeV configuration? Afaik that is like a 200-300 hp engine right?

The lmp2 engines will all be in the 450-550 hp range.

Speed-King · 3 Jan 2016, 14:55 (Ref:3601806)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roninho

How much hp does the Honda have in VdeV configuration? Afaik that is like a 200-300 hp engine right?

The lmp2 engines will all be in the 450-550 hp range.

Yup... around 250hp.

The replacement engine that they've been talking about - and which was supposed to be going along with revised (read beefier) car specs - would have been larger and a bit more powerful (so a P2 block might not be completely out of the question). But then all that talk was from 2 or 3 years ago and might have come to nought with the introduction of P3 and what not...

I'll see if I can find a link to the article in question. Must've been on endurance info...

Edit: Found it. Those plans were for 2015, so they are most likely dead in the water by now, especially seeing how VdeV should have a substantial P3 field of their own, if in a shared field with the GT-cars rather than the CNs.

Mike E · 4 Jan 2016, 12:48 (Ref:3601988)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

The Zyteks (rebranded as 'Gibson') will be THE spec engine so no dust for them...

Not so sure about that. The new Gibson spec engine is a purpose-built, 4.2 litre V8. Their current LMP2 engine (the Nissan) is a 4.5 litre stock block. OK, they have produced 3.4, 4.0 and 4.5 litre V8 racing engines for LMP1 and LMP2 in the past but they are surely not about to start remanufacturing those. Still means lots of old LMP2 motors knocking about.

Coach Ep · 4 Jan 2016, 14:41 (Ref:3601999)

Is the Interseries still around?

Deleted · 25 Jan 2016, 19:13 (Ref:3607914)

Only just realized/remembered that the new Oreca 05 of Signatech will be forge-badged as Alpine just like the old 03R of theirs was. Do we know what the fake initials will be this time, A450c???? And whether it's official homologation like they did with the previous Oreca. IIRC none of the other rebadging names have bothered with actual rehomologations as they have (or ACO hasn't aproved them). Also, will they be allowed to keep the name for upcoming spec LMP2 rules?

BullMan · 25 Jan 2016, 20:32 (Ref:3607940)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Only just realized/remembered that the new Oreca 05 of Signatech will be forge-badged as Alpine just like the old 03R of theirs was. Do we know what the fake initials will be this time, A450c???? And whether it's official homologation like they did with the previous Oreca. IIRC none of the other rebadging names have bothered with actual rehomologations as they have (or ACO hasn't aproved them). Also, will they be allowed to keep the name for upcoming spec LMP2 rules?

I'm guessing they would just rebadge the Gibson engine as an Alpine and leave the Oreca name on.

Coach Ep · 25 Jan 2016, 22:39 (Ref:3607986)

As long as they continue their striking blue livery I don't really care what they call the car and/or engine, that car is a joy for the eyes!

**Adam43** · 25 Jan 2016, 22:58 (Ref:3607991)

And really easy to photograph. Something about the colours and the contrast makes the photographs appear really sharp. It helps me anyway.

Matt · 26 Jan 2016, 02:37 (Ref:3608006)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

As long as they continue their striking blue livery I don't really care what they call the car and/or engine, that car is a joy for the eyes!

Mike E · 27 Jan 2016, 12:51 (Ref:3608436)

Some info here on the 2017 Ligier.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...r-js-p217.html

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