LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers - Page 67

wdave0 · 1 Feb 2016, 15:33 (Ref:3610573)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

This stuff is going to get out of hand, and by this time next year the two sets of rules are going to be so wildly different that the cars have no ability to race with each other. If that happens, it's going to suck hard.

I think ACO/FIA and IMSA are really most interested in full season entries so don't much care about crossover - 2-3 cars for 2-3 races isn't much impact in their eyes, just ours. Look at how much IMSA protected their DP stalwarts until this year.

Coach Ep · 1 Feb 2016, 15:41 (Ref:3610575)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

This stuff is going to get out of hand, and by this time next year the two sets of rules are going to be so wildly different that the cars have no ability to race with each other. If that happens, it's going to suck hard.

Nah, there aren't that many (European) one-offs/guest entries in US sportscar racing anyway so it'll potentially - if at all - hurt WEC more than WTSC. US teams that want to go to LM can do either WEC (and/or ELMS) or stay at home and lease a ACO-P2 to do the 24.

If IMSA 'drifts away' from the original launched 'shared platform' they should get rid off the constructor limit.

To me it seems like a small step into the right direction.

TF110 · 1 Feb 2016, 18:04 (Ref:3610633)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

IMSA should turn PC into ACO Spec P2 and the ACO should turn P1-Privateer into DPi.

That's kinda what I think. But I think imsa should make dpi like LMP1'L' by using non hybrids and freedom on bodywork (their oem branding). Near full width rear wings but lmp1 dimensions. Rebellion and Kolles could run the endurance rounds in America.

**joeb** · 1 Feb 2016, 18:39 (Ref:3610655)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

IMSA should turn PC into ACO Spec P2 and the ACO should turn P1-Privateer into DPi.

Interesting idea I wouldn't mind seeing that. But for the p1 privateers in WEC how do they justify a program like that with again no chance of winning. That seems to be rebellions biggest complaint right now, they have no legitimate shot at victory or even a podium.

TheMightyM · 1 Feb 2016, 18:42 (Ref:3610656)

I'm not surprise about this issue, as the ACO/WEC and IMSA have very different desires when it comes to P2 -- in a nutshell, the ACO/WEC want to drive all manufacturer involvement (money) out of P2 while IMSA wants to attract it to the class as a means of sustaining an all pro top prototype class.

BrentJackson · 4 Feb 2016, 05:53 (Ref:3611445)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Interesting idea I wouldn't mind seeing that. But for the p1 privateers in WEC how do they justify a program like that with again no chance of winning. That seems to be rebellions biggest complaint right now, they have no legitimate shot at victory or even a podium.

So long as the factories are there they haven't got a hope in hell of that in any case, so I highly doubt it matters all that much.

chernaudi · 4 Feb 2016, 17:03 (Ref:3611624)

Same as when Audi had the R8. Even when fielded by semi-works teams, they usually cleaned house up until it's dying day in competition.

Deleted · 5 Feb 2016, 09:28 (Ref:3611814)

Pegasus Racing is set to continue running Mics. Excellent news as that'll continue to ensure the prevention of all-Dunlop LMP2. And with Rebellon now running Dunlops against the Michelin armada in LMP1 both primary classes have actual competition.

TheMightyM · 5 Feb 2016, 19:30 (Ref:3612074)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Pegasus Racing is set to continue running Mics. Excellent news as that'll continue to ensure the prevention of all-Dunlop LMP2. And with Rebellon now running Dunlops against the Michelin armada in LMP1 both primary classes have actual competition.

Krohn and Idec Sport are also running Michelins in ELMS and, in Krohn’s case, also at Le Mans.

Deleted · 5 Feb 2016, 21:33 (Ref:3612145)

Yup

I was curious IDEC didn't lodge LM entry. French team too so the likelihood of at least bottom reserve slot would've been higher than direct rejection. But just read they were always aiming for the 2017 race. Alrighty

Coach Ep · 8 Feb 2016, 16:14 (Ref:3613112)

(same question as in LM entry list threat)

Are current, grandfathered P2 coupes entered in ELMS/AsLMS/IMSA in 2017 eligible for LM next year?

Rodger Davies · 8 Feb 2016, 19:03 (Ref:3613153)

Good question sir...

Deleted · 5 Mar 2016, 16:40 (Ref:3620240)

March 1 Technical Draft for 2017
http://www.fia.com/file/38967/download?token=0PaBFD2Y

TF110 · 6 Mar 2016, 08:38 (Ref:3620471)

Didn't see this posted- https://twitter.com/ryohirakawa/stat...50365262643206 Toyota's Ryo Hirakawa (super gt) confirmed in Thiriet by TDS Racing team running elms. Looks like Toyota is going to build him up with some p2 running for a possible spot in their team in the future.

J Jay · 6 Mar 2016, 08:45 (Ref:3620472)

It's been mentioned in the LM Entry List thread, but I would agree with that. Hirakawa looks like a good bet for at least an LMP1 test drive in the near future.

Irie · 6 Mar 2016, 21:43 (Ref:3620677)

Picture of the Dallara LMP2 chassis possibly leaked?
http://www.formulav8.com/rpm-racing-...uture-v8-2018/

Mike E · 6 Mar 2016, 22:27 (Ref:3620687)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

(same question as in LM entry list threat)

Are current, grandfathered P2 coupes entered in ELMS/AsLMS/IMSA in 2017 eligible for LM next year?

"Existing LMP2 cars will be grandfathered into the FIA WEC for 2017 and in the ELMS through 2018, with the Asian LMS only accepting previous-generation cars through 2018."

Not sure how this is going to work since the new cars should be significantly quicker than the current ones.

http://sportscar365.com/industry/201...unced-in-july/

BullMan · 7 Mar 2016, 00:15 (Ref:3620711)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

"Existing LMP2 cars will be grandfathered into the FIA WEC for 2017 and in the ELMS through 2018, with the Asian LMS only accepting previous-generation cars through 2018."

Not sure how this is going to work since the new cars should be significantly quicker than the current ones.

http://sportscar365.com/industry/201...unced-in-july/

The new cars will be faster and the old cars won't win. It happens when new spec cars come out and the old ones are allowed to fill the field.

MoMedic9019 · 7 Mar 2016, 02:31 (Ref:3620725)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

The new cars will be faster and the old cars won't win. It happens when new spec cars come out and the old ones are allowed to fill the field.

BoP will be adjusted accordingly. The gap won't be very dramatic. It allows for one extra year for amortizaton of the old spec, and reduces initial impact on demand from manu.

Deleted · 7 Mar 2016, 09:19 (Ref:3620823)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

The new cars will be faster and the old cars won't win. It happens when new spec cars come out and the old ones are allowed to fill the field.

Like Pescarolo 01 in 2011...

BullMan · 7 Mar 2016, 13:03 (Ref:3620879)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Like Pescarolo 01 in 2011...

The old cars were much faster than the new ones at that point, so if they were detuned, it should have made them more reliable.

This time, we're getting faster with new the generation, not slower.

chernaudi · 7 Mar 2016, 14:07 (Ref:3620892)

Only problem with that assertion is that the factory cars were the only new spec cars faster than Pescarolo, and that was only for the combined ILMC/LMS rounds (LM*, Imola, Spa, Silverstone)

*Le Mans was non-championship for LMS in 2011.

**joeb** · 7 Mar 2016, 14:13 (Ref:3620895)

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Originally Posted by Irie

Picture of the Dallara LMP2 chassis possibly leaked?
http://www.formulav8.com/rpm-racing-...uture-v8-2018/

I haven't heard any news from that project, hope it is the P2 and they are making progress.

Deleted · 7 Mar 2016, 15:35 (Ref:3620913)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Only problem with that assertion is that the factory cars were the only new spec cars faster than Pescarolo, and that was only for the combined ILMC/LMS rounds (LM*, Imola, Spa, Silverstone)

*Le Mans was non-championship for LMS in 2011.

Yes, even the Rebellion Lolas often lacked against the even-then ancient 01. They would've "won" Le Mans too if it wasn't for the infamous crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeLMB8cBoI

Mike E · 24 Mar 2016, 15:41 (Ref:3626764)

No BoP for grandfathered LMP2 engines in 2017. So the Gibson-engined cars should have a significant advantage.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...-continue.html

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