Ralt RT 1

[AMICALEMANS]

Very happy that my pic was useful to a french compatriot thru an english website !

[DANIELD]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Daniel

Welcome. I have two pictures of the car when it was raced by David McMillan in the 1977 series in New Zealand with sponsorship from Citizen watches.
I also have a contact for David's former mechanic from that series, who would probably have more material and would be delighted to learn of the car's survival.

If you send me a private message with your email I will send you the images and this man's address.

Chris

Chris

Have you find the pictures, can you send me with the David's contact.
My email adress dumolie.daniel@numericable.fr

[driftwood]

Chris i beleive FSV and f3 cars are eseentially the same beasty
ye sif fuel cell area is larger on Fa car it would in theory increas the wheels base to the rear of the car as the parrallel links engine mount etc will be 1-3 inches further away for the dash board for example as a std fixed point to work from
a LWB car helps in the corners over a SWB
while a SWB is quick in a straight line i think u will often read car update/ mods making 1-2 inch changes on wheel base making the car work better

i am still puzzled at FSV using Mk 9 gbox FA using FT200 its an expensive conversion plus wheel widths and possibly wing and upright castings to alter

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by David McKinney

Don't know if Dan's question has been answered, but Catlow's car was described at the time as being "ex-Turnbull"
The only Turnbull on my RT1 list is Rob of that ilk, but his car was reportedly written off in 1978

Just seen on ORC that Allen has confirmed, somehow, the Catlow car as RT1-71. This is now with Phillipe Harper I gather. So it seems to be Turnbull in 1977 for Climbing, written off by him in 78 and replaced by a March 762. The bits from -71 then rebuilt into an Atlantic by Catlow, used in the UK 1980-82, then goes to Harper. Does this look OK?

[Chris Townsend]

Dan
That would be right. The "confirmation" has to be pretty much by elimination given the debut of the Turnbull car in March/April and knowing what the following chassis are all the way into June 77. Ralt sometimes delivered cars out of schedule, but I know that some of the June deliveries were orders placed after Turnbull's car was delivered, so that can't be the case here.
Incidentally, Catlow rebuilt the car late on in 1979.

Chris

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

So it seems to be Turnbull in 1977 for Climbing, written off by him in 78 and replaced by a March 762.

Not just "Climbing" - Rob Turnbull ran the RT1 in the British Sprint Championship in 1977 through to 1978.

[allenbrown]

Dan, I had hoped the wording of the ORC update would have painted that extra snippet as being from Chris as well.

Chris, should Catlow's car have a footnote explaining why we believe it's 71?

[driftwood]

do u want me to as mike directly the questions?

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by driftwood

do u want me to as mike directly the questions?

Drifty

See that bear headed towards the treeline with a roll of Andrex?

Chris

[driftwood]

not from where i am standing
im on my yacht in the mediteranean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

not from where i am standing
im on my yacht in the mediteranean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mind you it is cold enough for it to be a POLAR bear!

[Dan Rear]

On the B42 thread, and linked Irish FAt discussion, Templeton's RT1 is confirmed as -116. From Adam's listing this is a '78 F3 car, described as sold to "Scott Scott". Does this mean Garry Scott, the Ozzie who came over here for F3 that year? I assume Trevor T bought it from here for his UK F3 season in 1979, then converted to Atlantic.

[britspts]

I have just found this site. I am the owner for the last 22 years of RT-1-35.I am looking for information on its history and pictures of it.
Tom

[Chris Townsend]

Tom

Welcome. Originally a Formula 2 car for the Project Three team of Ron Dennis, then to Roger Heavens but not raced, then to Alo Lawler early 1978, then hillclimbing in UK.

Who did you buy it from in the mid 80s?

Chris

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Tom

Welcome. Originally a Formula 2 car for the Project Three team of Ron Dennis, then to Roger Heavens but not raced, then to Alo Lawler early 1978, then hillclimbing in UK.

Who did you buy it from in the mid 80s?

Chris

Chris, who do you have as the owner of this car in the Hillclimb scene?

Steve

[Chris Townsend]

Steve, I don't! I just have a note to that effect on my Ralt spreadsheet for some point in the early 80s. I'm also a bit dubious now about Lawler's having the car! I think the AS reference in May 78 to him getting an ex Cheever car must be to chassis 64 which is what he shows up with at Donington 21 May 78. I remember Heavens advertising this car in early 78, as the photo showed it with the early cockpit and bodywork which the 1977 Project Four cars never ran, and from somewhere I have a memory of Lawler running an early bodied RT1 in 1978 after he dispensed with his Surtees. I am, however, prepared to be completely wrong on this...

Chris

[Chris Townsend]

Further to Dan's question about the Scott - Templeton car
A/S 6/9/79 p. 28 says Templeton's car is ex Gary Scott, and 116 was indeed Scott's 1978 F3 car. Presume that he converted to F.At spec as there weren't many British based RT1s with BDAs available in 1980 and for short Irish races he wouldn't have needed the extra tankage of an RT1/4. Would, however, have needed to work on suspension and brakes.
Car last seen for sale AS 7.1.82 p. 60 winner Phoenix Park; Mondello; Kirkistown.

Chris

[Dan Rear]

Chris/Steve, Alo definitely had an ex-Cheever RT1, though he only used it twice I think, in AFX 1978. After that I don't know, maybe it did go speedeventing? Didn't John Hinley sprint such a car at somepoint, may be this one...

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Chris/Steve, Alo definitely had an ex-Cheever RT1, though he only used it twice I think, in AFX 1978. After that I don't know, maybe it did go speedeventing? Didn't John Hinley sprint such a car at somepoint, may be this one...

John Hinley used a Trojan T101 (in 1977) & a Lola T330C (in 1978) within the British Sprint Championship.

The only un-identified Ralt RT1s in the British Sprint Championship records are:

1) Martin Brockhouse - 1.6 BDA engined - 1982
2) Mike Remnant - 3.5 Supercharged Rover V8 - 1987/88

[britspts]

[quote=Chris Townsend]Tom

Welcome. Originally a Formula 2 car for the Project Three team of Ron Dennis, then to Roger Heavens but not raced, then to Alo Lawler early 1978, then hillclimbing in UK.

Who did you buy it from in the mid 80s?

Chris[/quote

I aquired the car when I sold my BT 21. Joe Spesado (spelling?) sold the car to Peter West who seems to have not paid for it. Joe took the car back and I purchased it from him. I shall find the log book (In my helmet bag) and check on it further. Seems the car might have been raced in Wi. Car has a injected bdd and still has a fga400 g/box
Tom

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by britspts

I aquired the car when I sold my BT 21. Joe Spesado (spelling?) sold the car to Peter West who seems to have not paid for it. Joe took the car back and I purchased it from him. I shall find the log book (In my helmet bag) and check on it further. Seems the car might have been raced in Wi. Car has a injected bdd and still has a fga400 g/box
Tom

Tom, any idea about the Hillclimb connection?

Steve

[Chris Townsend]

Tom

One ex Cheever/Lawler car certainly made it to US. This has to be 35 or 64

for sale On Track 2 Dec 82 p.38 'ex Project 4/Cheever development car; completely rebuilt in 1981; 1 race since. Owner ran British F1 this year; sell with Nicholson BDA' Dave Williams, 19310 Timber Forest, Humble TX 77346

Peter West appears Riverside WCAR late 1984 with RT1, so Joe Sposato 1983 and Williams late 82 makes sense.

Tom, what's your family name? Did you use the car mainly in SCCA nationals and regionals rather than WCAR?

Chris

[driftwood]

the other P4 cheever car is in UK racing with bmw

[Chris Townsend]

Ron Dennis had four RT1s
35 with Hart 420R for Project Three bought summer 76 and used by Cheever, to Heavens 1977.
64 with BMW M12 for Project Four bought winter 76 for 77 season. Used by Cheever.Used by Hoffmann at Donington as his own car written off. then to Heini Mader 1978 for Romeo Camathias and to Alo Lawler 1978/79 latterly as F.Atlantic
67 with BMW M12 for Project Four bought winter 76 for 77 season. Used by Hoffmann and probably destroyed in collision with Patrese at Estoril 2 Oct 77
68 with BMW M12 for Project Four bought winter 76 for 77 season. Used by Stuck and as team spare.
There might be an additional car delivered June that sits in the gap in the Ralt build records from mid to end 77. Cheever uses this car at Rouen after damaging 64 at Mugello and MN says it's new there, whilst 68 has already appeared earlier in the season

Chris

[Chris Townsend]

[/quote

Seems the car might have been raced in Wi. Car has a injected bdd and still has a fga400 g/box
Tom[/QUOTE]

Tom "Wi" is Wisconsin here, not West Indies? If so, would the name Gordon Meffert [Madison, WI] who is selling an RT1 December 83, ring any bells or appear in the log?

Chris