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In 2022 - Max Verstappen switched to running #1 on his car as the reigning WDC.
Prior to this, Hamilton spent a few years running #44, despite being the reigning WDC at the time. However - the question is a two-parter and is: Which Formula One Champions never raced with a number one on their car? And which drivers entered a Formula One Championship race with number one on their car, despite never being a [FIA] champion? (Excluding Indy500 races) |
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Did Mansell ever run the no. 1 when he was WDC?
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The champions that did not race with No.1 would have been
Mansell & Nico Roberg who did not race the following season. Hawthorn & Rindt who both lost their lives between becoming champion& the start of the next season. |
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Graham Whitehead ran as No 1 at Silverstone in 1952. I also believe this was the only time No1 was used so can you add Fangio to my previous post please?
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But, Fangio raced with a #1 on occasion, so is not one of the champions to never use that number. |
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For the non-champions part of the question, we have had Watson and Whitehead. Whitehead was the first, Watson was the last. The others were, 1954, 1958, 1958, 1959, 1959, 1967, 1967 & 1968, 1970 (twice), 1974 (all season), Nine more names to go...... |
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Ronnie Peterson is one of them.
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Ronnie Peterson ran #1 for the whole of 1974 after he, or Lotus 'inherited' the #1 from the retired JYS
Lance Macklin ran #1Britain 1953 Gonzales (Jose- Froilan) Moss Behra Mairesse Pilette Amon Beltoise Scarfiotti Pedro Rodriguez As did Collins (I think already mentioned) The following all ran #1 at some stage prior to their WDC Phil Hill ran #1 once prior to becoming Champion (Holland 1960) So did Graham in 1962 Clark in SA 1962 and a couple of times in 1963 As did Jack Brabham in Germany and Portugal 1959 Fittipaldi France 1972 Farina and Ascari only ran with a #1 once. Fangio ran with #1 a few times.... Britain in his very first GP, plus (some)other years in Britain |
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E.B. - Macklin was not in my original source - but checking back that is one of the drivers.
From my reference, all of the names you list are correct, with the exception of Mairesse, Pilette, and Scarfiotti. Do you have the championship races that they entered as car #1 to check against? I also have one other entry as #1 from a driver who was never a champion. |
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Reading more into it, Denis Jenkinson in Motorsport Mag at the time wrote Ludovico chose to not run because seeing the terrible (career ending) accident of Ferrari team mate Mike Parkes at the preceding Spa race had disturbed him. Andre Pilette was entered and I understood practiced for Ecurie Scirocco Belge at Monaco 1964 but was told he was too slow. As for Willy Mairesse I Have him entered as #1 in a works Ferrari for the 1962 US GP but he was a DNA. IIRC that was when Enzo, after a poor year for Ferrari, 'cracked it' and the 3 cars Ferrari entered (Mairesse, Bandini and Baghetti in #1,2,3 respectively) were all DNA's. So they were all officially entered as #1, but for varying reasons mentioned were MIA come race day. |
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Thanks - It appears my source might have been incomplete. Checking back, they seem to have considered 'Withdrawn' as not meeting the criteria of 'entered a Formula One Championship race'. Depending on interpretation, some sources for the 1962 US GP report that 'Scuderia Ferrari were entered for the race as #1, 2 and 3, but nominated neither cars nor drivers.' which I think is why Mairesse is also not on their list. But - with all that, there is still one more driver that entered a championship race with number one on their car, that has not been mentioned yet. To summarise where we are: Which Formula One Champions never raced with a number one on their car? Mike Hawthorn, Jochen Rindt, Nigel Mansell, Nico Rosberg. And which drivers entered a Formula One Championship race with number one on their car, despite never being a champion? Graham Whitehead – 1952 British Grand Prix Lance Macklin ran - 1953 British Grand Prix José Froilán González - 1954 German Grand Prix Stirling Moss - 1958 Dutch Grand Prix Peter Collins – 1958 British Grand Prix Jean Behra - 1959 Dutch Grand Prix Willy Mairesse - 1962 US Grand Prix (did not attend) Andre Pilette - 1964 Monaco Grand Prix (withdrawn) Chris Amon - 1967 Belgian Grand Prix Jean-Pierre Beltoise - 1967 Monaco Grand Prix (DNQ) and 1968 Monaco Grand Prix Ludovico Scarfiotti - 1967 French Grand Prix (withdrawn) Pedro Rodr?*guez - 1970 Belgian Grand Prix and 1970 Dutch Grand Pri Ronnie Peterson - 1974 Season Long John Watson – 1985 European Grand Prix Plus - one more driver who has not been mentioned...... |
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After repairs Spence rejoined the race running Clark's #1 car. Clark finished the race 7th in the #2. (Actually he didn't quite get to the end but was classified 7th.) Spence as mentioned drove the #1 car but it only lasted for another few laps before retiring. None the less Mike Spence did drive the #1 at the USGP in the race and was not a WDC. Does that count? **Clutches straws! |
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After repairs Spence rejoined the race running Clark's #1 car. Clark finished the race 7th in the #2. (Actually he didn't quite get to the end but was classified 7th.) Spence as mentioned drove the #1 car but it only lasted for another few laps before retiring. None the less Mike Spence did drive the #1 at the USGP in the race and was not a WDC. Does that count? Mike is shown in the results as driving the #1 **Clutches straws! Likewise at the 1953 German GP Ascari started in the #1 Ferrari. After losing a wheel and subsequently suffering handling problems Ferrari swapped cars with Ascari taking over the #4 of Villoresi. Villoresi took over the #1 and finished the race in the #1 car Last edited by E.B; 17 Dec 2022 at 09:36. |
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Ok what connects the following
Jack Brabham Jo Bonnier Graham Hill Bruce McLaren Mario Andretti Bruno Giacomelli Riccardo Patrese Nelson Piquet Johnny Herbert Jean Alesi Michael Schumacher Rubens Barrichello Jarno Trulli Pedro de la Rosa Fernando Alonso Kimi Raikkonen Robert Kubica Lewis Hamilton Sebastian Vettel Romain Grosjean |
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HOWEVER....Roger Ward in the Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser at the Sebring 1959 US GP ran as #1 is more likely the one you are looking for. Last edited by E.B; 17 Dec 2022 at 10:04. |
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