March 73S - 74S - 75S - 76S - 77S

[Doug Hart]

Allen, this seems to be making sense to me now.. which is great

Chassis 3 was supplied with BMW and so was chassis 5 (the later being sold to Italy and the first to france).. the wolf chassis I am told is chassis 1 .. and also has beemer power

Scola raced a 74S with a BMW and turns up as an entry in a 75S .. again the body kit could be the answer that might explain the cars entered that never raced during 1975 ..

the heavens car could of been one of the two cars sold to italy and run in the UK before being sent over.. does anybody know what colour the Heavens car was ?

All we need is number 2 and 4 ..

Doug

[allenbrown]

Doug

Do you have any details on the first customer and/or the delivery date of 75S/3 and 75S/5? They may help us identify the Heavens car.

I'll look for pictures of the Heavens car.

Allen

[Doug Hart]

Allen

The 75S/3 was delivered into MRS in France in 75 and the 75S/5 to Italy in the same year .. both had BMW engines fitted, I think 75S/5 was supplied as a roller and the engine was fitted in Italy by the team.

Jeremy, the white car pictured in your earlier message is, I believe the car in the USA now.. the roll bar is not right and the same as the US car.. I think this may of been answered earlier on

Doug

[driftwood]

Its quite interesting to see the argyle car i asked about yonks ago was never really pursued and now months later its history/ info come to light !!

was the valour car ever a real 75/6s dfv car or 2 litre built up? there are other queries out there to be answered on this car !!
has anyone asked roger heavens directly about the cars he had or has anyone tracked done Mr Travis ( now in usa? )
doug hart are u the racer from 2lire days about a decade back with a family bathroom business

[David McKinney]

..and brother of Greg?

[Doug Hart]

David and Driftwood, yes I am part of that family, my big bro is Greg .. I ran a T212 in the early 90s.. I race a modern day 2 litre now.. a Chiron.. great car with all the mod cons and lots of downforce !!!. may come back to Historics next year .. still deciding

Has anyone got a picture of that Valour car ? would like to see it ..

Doug

[driftwood]

nicky is the baby of the family ?
i recall him as a cadet come junior in karts when i raced karts@ tilbury then he went into FFords
valour car has anyone found the AS article of the day it was " launched" does it say where the car came from?
it was around 1985/6 it raced then it "disappeared" from racing

[David McKinney]

I remember being told when the Valour car first appeared that it hadn't raced before....

[driftwood]

that rings a bell as i did find 1 AS article not long ago about the car
was it a 76s in thundersports?
how could it be an unraced car in 85 ish was there a car that sat unused like the Otford group 286 dfv lola car ( cancelled order!!??)

[Doug Hart]

Nicky is my cousin, he has hung his helmet up sadly.

I am confused over this Valour car.. Even having read the earlier thread.. The car zooming round the birmingham track in 1986 Thundersports (white) is not a 76S, in fact I reckon it is not a March at all.. is this the Valour car ? the white car pictured early on in this thread (on the grass) is the same car as as I mention racing round birmingham.. I am only confused as I am told the Valour car is Black ..

The white car has wrong diving position (to central), roll bar shape and stays, wing stays, body work front and rear.. and from the grass pictures it seems to have a lot of other details not as a 74/75 or 76S should have ..

[David McKinney]

I'm fairly sure the black Valour car "disappeared" before 1986 - I only remember it racing at one or perhaps two Brands Hatch meetings in 1985

[Dan Rear]

Pretty sure the Valour car was black, as was the RT30 the team had that year. The white March in T'Sports in 86 was the Travis/BRD car, we think, and was a March, at one time at least !

[Doug Hart]

Looking at the BRD car the only thing in common with a 75S or 76S is the side pods.. The tub is different, the rear end is like a F2 .. 78 or 792, the dash, seating position etc are not the same and very central.. .. it could of used an F2 donor car and that would explain a lot .. thanks for the info as I was thinking the Valour car WAS this car.. so we haev two different cars entirely ..

Blimey this is all complex .. All we need is a picture of that Heavens car to see the colour of it and we should eb able to get the story straight

Doug

[driftwood]

dan is correct here valour cars where black mr herbert drove rt30 f3 car
was valour car 75 or 76 s

[driftwood]

BRD car was built by john travis he also built 792 replica car is it possible he fited either body to F2 car or used that as base for sports car
i only recall 1 white 75s type car running with hart motor and it was entered as BRD not march

[Doug Hart]

check out the blue and yellow 75S in the USA and tell me what you think ..

[Jeremy Jackson]

Valour car was indeed black, and appeared on programme entry lists (I know that's no guarantee) as a 75S. It ran in 5 Thundersports races in 1985 only.

[Doug Hart]

Dan said earlier ..

.... Didn't Heavens run March 74S' in 1974, for the likes of Cabral, Prado, de Lamare. I guess he must have had some Spanish money/connexions at the time. If so, I wonder whether these cars really were 75S', possibly in fact the previous years cars ?? .....

Did anybody confirm this ? that he ran a 74S in 1974 ..

[Jeremy Jackson]

Autosport's Euro 2-litre report's refer to de Lamare's 74S as "his" but don't say who ran the car. Heavens was running a Lola T294 in the same championship for Javier Juncadella

[driftwood]

who drove the valour car paul jackson and hadfield? i think simon did 1 or 2 races for sure in the car
i know jackson was running the team/ engineer on ross cheevers/herberts f3 cars for the 2 f3 years
at the seasons end team was closed down herbert went to eddie jordan team to win f3 c/ship or am i 1 year out?
i recall cheever running prior to herbert but there was not a full budget for him perhaps it was 86 when valour closed down & i stand waiting to be corrected !

[allenbrown]

I don't know who ran de Lamare in 1974 but it is relavant that his car was BMW-powered, like the Heavens 75S.

Also relevant is a comment on this page saying that the Kincraft was rebodied with the body of de Lamare's 74S. So does that mean de Lamare's car had just acquired a new body?

Somewhere, I'm sure I saw de Lamare's 74S actually running during 1975 but as I was only looking for 75S references at the time, I didn't write it down. I'm sure it was a UK race, maybe Silverstone?

Allen

Allen

[Dan Rear]

DW, I think the Cheever Valour F3 year was 1985, Herbert being in FF that year. Don't think Cheever ran with them in 86, Herbert did the odd F3 race that year, but I thought that was with Mike Riwe, not Valour, or are they connected ? I can't recall who drove the March in T'Sports in 85, Cheever maybe ??

[fausto]

according to wspr-racing.com

19 Paul Jackson
Rob Wilson / NZ March 75S Ford Valour Racing

[David McKinney]

Again off the top of my head...
I think Cheever was the 1986 Valour F3 driver (when JH was doing FF2000)

[driftwood]

I know its off the march track but f3 valour car was Ralt rt30 85 model so in 86 they would have run car again with the 86 updates but JH didnt have money until 86 with EJR and Rhino flooring sponsored him giving him a leg up he needed
JH was doing FF2000 in the quest having won the 84 FF festival in the Quest 1600 car he was a "works " driver but the 2000 car was a donkey compared to the VD/Royale / reynard cars
my claim to fame is JH taught me to drive karts via the Sisley kart school in 83- he was uk kart champ but i dint relaise that at the time the following year i did my 1st kart race at tilbury
JH had a coming together at the hairpin with a driver and boxing ensued
at the end of the meeting the other drivers father and JH where banned from the track for a year as more rounds followed with no referees !!
And u thought butter wouldnt melt in Johnny`s mouth!