GTE/GTLM 2016 discussion

[TF110]

1:41's? 1:42's easy. Basically faster than ever.

[Mike Hedlund]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

The #4 Corvette set a pole time at Daytona this year at 1 min 43.5 sec. What do you think could be the GTLM pole time in 2016 with the new specs? I think the GT3 cars even on Conti's will be in the 44's.

Full GT3 aren't going to be much, if any, faster than this years GTD times at Daytona. The current GTD cars have a big top speed advantage on full GT3 cars because of their lack of downforce.

-mike

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

But the M3 GT2 did, with transaxle layout.

MC12 didn't meet GT1 regs (dimensions, as far as I recall). Ford GT supposedly meets the new GTP regs.

there were 2 different models of M3 GT2, a more prototype oriented one that ran in 2009-2010 ALMS, 2009-2011 24HN and 2010 spa 24H, and the so called "schnitzer specs" that ran in 2010-2011 ILMC/le mans 24H and 2011-2012 ALMS.
The schnitzer specs car was full ACO specs, but kept however the transaxle gearbox layout (like the vantage).

About MC12, the car was too wide, about 210cm... all other early mid 2000's GT1 cars width was less than 200cm (not so sure about murcielagoo R-GT). Actually in 2010 there was the JLOC murcielago R-SV that more or less was as wide as the MC12.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

kept however the transaxle gearbox layout (like the vantage).

All AML cars including the Vantage have transaxle in the road going version, even the 4-door Rapide. So they didn't need a waiver, unlike the M3. And it's a very major waiver in my book.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

About MC12, the car was too wide, about 210cm... all other early mid 2000's GT1 cars width was less than 200cm (not so sure about murcielagoo R-GT). Actually in 2010 there was the JLOC murcielago R-SV that more or less was as wide as the MC12.

With MC12 it was obviously non issue because it wasn't recognized by the ACO (today it would probably get clearance in one second...)

Regarding the Lambo, are you saying that the brand new R-SV JLOC received from Reiter was the only Lambo that year that was that wide? Because the other so-called "new" 2010 GT1 cars were over 200mm as well, IIRC Nissan & Lambo were close to 205 and Ford GT1 was 210mm. And I don't think the VDS and Matech Fords lost any of that width for the two ACO races they did...

Anyway it doesn't really matter, that year was out of place

[Mt. Lynx]

The width wasn't the biggest problem with the MC12. The biggest grope the ACO had with it, was that it raced before it went on the road. The racecars were basically the first rolling cars off the band.
This in effect made the roadcar a homologation special, and the racers nigh on prototypes.

[tux]

Originally Posted by Mt. Lynx

The width wasn't the biggest problem with the MC12. The biggest grope the ACO had with it, was that it raced before it went on the road. The racecars were basically the first rolling cars off the band.
This in effect made the roadcar a homologation special, and the racers nigh on prototypes.

They didnt like it because it wasnt a spec race car

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Chiana

And I don't think the VDS and Matech Fords lost any of that width for the two ACO races they did...

Including 2010 Le Mans 24h.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Including 2010 Le Mans 24h.

Obviously

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Chiana

TThe last paragraph for this vision of new GT4 sounds like this category brought alongside GT1 and GT2 a decade ago, called GT3. And we know how that turned out when it got out of control...

I meant something closer to road spec than GT2/GTE, rather than further away (GT3's prototype-ish chassis with strangled engines is the direct opposite of what I meant). Perhaps even use some sort of weight/power formula to have Bentley racing Exige V6 and Alfa 4C. And introduce underfloor regs to allow these cars safely travel strictly parallel to the ground at whatever altitude they feel like going above Flugplatz to never again worry about introducing speed limits at the Ring.

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by Chiana

With MC12 it was obviously non issue because it wasn't recognized by the ACO (today it would probably get clearance in one second...)

Regarding the Lambo, are you saying that the brand new R-SV JLOC received from Reiter was the only Lambo that year that was that wide? Because the other so-called "new" 2010 GT1 cars were over 200mm as well, IIRC Nissan & Lambo were close to 205 and Ford GT1 was 210mm. And I don't think the VDS and Matech Fords lost any of that width for the two ACO races they did...

Anyway it doesn't really matter, that year was out of place

yeah, I know that brand new 2010 GT1 cars were all wider than 200cm (cm not mm... ), infact my opinon was that maybe in 2010 the MC12 could be accepted for le mans because of the presence of other cars that were already over the width limits.
Anyway, even if the car was elegible in previous years, I guess that vitaphone racing could never match the corvette racing and AMR pace and effort.

[rich07]

Gimmi Bruni won't be leaving the Ferrari fold anytime soon as he's re-signed with Ferrari for multiple seasons (doesn't say specifically so at least two). Thank god! Hopefully Vilander stays on also as we need both of them to help develop the new 488.

[morningview66]

Hopefully we get Bruni/Vilander and a good second pairing and the 488GTB works out of so we can see some epic Ford vs Ferrari.

In other news : Honda NSX GTE/GTLM?
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/11912...et-to-conclude

While the car is a hybrid and im not sure the ACO would let that slide im willing to bet IMSA would let Honda have a homologation special, they allow BMW to get away with it.

[carbsmith]

The MC12 had a lot of eligibility problems, it pretty much only ever raced because FIA GT couldn't afford to turn away a manufacturer.

The race car had a shortened nose and then the ALMS one ran with a shortened splitter and it was still too long for a GT1 car...

[Coach Ep]

Do we know when the FIA BoP tests for the new cars are? Somewhere in September but when and where exactly (probably Paul Ricard)?

[nickyf1]

I notice that the 488 has a similar concept (with a far more subtle execution) to the Ford GT with regards to air flow through the tail of the car. The ducting above the rear wheels exits out the back while doubling for cooling, and much work has been done with the underbody, the sort of stuff you usually don't see with production based racing.

It will be very interesting to see what Aston Martin and Porsche can come up with, but I predict a very interesting evolution of GTE over the next few seasons.

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Do we know when the FIA BoP tests for the new cars are? Somewhere in September but when and where exactly (probably Paul Ricard)?

The BoP tests will be conducted at the michelin test tracks in Ladoux but the exact dates seem to be a closely guarded secret for some reason.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

I notice that the 488 has a similar concept (with a far more subtle execution) to the Ford GT with regards to air flow through the tail of the car. The ducting above the rear wheels exits out the back while doubling for cooling, and much work has been done with the underbody, the sort of stuff you usually don't see with production based racing.

It will be very interesting to see what Aston Martin and Porsche can come up with, but I predict a very interesting evolution of GTE over the next few seasons.

Rumour on Midweek Motorsport last week (?) that there would be no Porsches in GTE Pro next year while they concentrate on rumoured development of rumoured mid-engined supercar to sit between 911 and 918. Apparently.

[jasonjessica09]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Rumour on Midweek Motorsport last week (?) that there would be no Porsches in GTE Pro next year while they concentrate on rumoured development of rumoured mid-engined supercar to sit between 911 and 918. Apparently.

How do you interpret this? Porsche is taking 2016 off for a return in 2017 with a GTE supercar? GTLM in TUSC could be just 7 cars next year with 2 Corvettes, 2 Fords, 2 BMW M6, and Risi with 1 Ferarri 488. I hope Walker racing can stick around somehow.

I suppose the current 911 RSR will be obsolete in GTLM in 2016.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

How do you interpret this? Porsche is taking 2016 off for a return in 2017 with a GTE supercar? GTLM in TUSC could be just 7 cars next year with 2 Corvettes, 2 Fords, 2 BMW M6, and Risi with 1 Ferarri 488. I hope Walker racing can stick around somehow.

I suppose the current 911 RSR will be obsolete in GTLM in 2016.

You mean like they did for the 2013 season, dropping Flying Lizard as their semi-Werks team, ahead of the 991 that debuted in 2014?





L.P.

[Mike E]

They might continue in GTLM in TUSC but sit out GTE Pro in WEC. That would at least keep some of their drivers busy.

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by Mike E

They might continue in GTLM in TUSC but sit out GTE Pro in WEC. That would at least keep some of their drivers busy.

I think that P1 in WEC and GTLM in TUSC is probably what makes the most sense for Porsche. That would give them a factory funded program in both camps.

[jasonjessica09]

Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I think that P1 in WEC and GTLM in TUSC is probably what makes the most sense for Porsche. That would give them a factory funded program in both camps.

I hope so but they'll have to do something to make the 911 RSR a much faster car next year. And we are not talking about a couple tenths of a second per lap we might be talking about 2 seconds a lap faster at Daytona

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

I hope so but they'll have to do something to make the 911 RSR a much faster car next year. And we are not talking about a couple tenths of a second per lap we might be talking about 2 seconds a lap faster at Daytona

Doubt that is going to happen, considering that they are working on a new mid-engine car for 2017

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by Mike E

Rumour on Midweek Motorsport last week (?) that there would be no Porsches in GTE Pro next year while they concentrate on rumoured development of rumoured mid-engined supercar to sit between 911 and 918. Apparently.

Not so rumored Mike. I have it from a pretty good source that it is fact.