GT2 replaced by GT3 ..... ACO new idea

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by JAG

Will GT2 remain as is, save for a little cost reduction?

would be strange to have the same cars in GT1 and 2 wouldn't it?

[JAG]

They won't be the same cars, rather new GT1 cars (Ferrari 599 etc.) using GT2 based regs, with unrestricted engines.

Porsche for example could run a 997 Turbo in GT1, the chassis would be similar to a 997 GT3 RSR, but the engine would be an unrestricted Turbo putting out similar power to the road car.

Unrestricted engines are being propased to cut down on engine development costs. It's cheeper to allow cars to run a little heavier, closer to their road going weight, compensating this by allowing them to produce more power.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by JAG

They won't be the same cars, rather new GT1 cars (Ferrari 599 etc.) using GT2 based regs, with unrestricted engines.

Porsche for example could run a 997 Turbo in GT1, the chassis would be similar to a 997 GT3 RSR, but the engine would be an unrestricted Turbo putting out similar power to the road car.

Unrestricted engines are being propased to cut down on engine development costs. It's cheeper to allow cars to run a little heavier, closer to their road going weight, compensating this by allowing them to produce more power.

I highly doubt we will see unrestricted engines. I know that is what Ratel said but it would do nothing but spark a h.p. war. I think that it would/will end up more like the GT-2 formula that already exsists just heavier weight and less restrictor (more air) for a given displacement. IMO of course!

L.P.

[Subaru_WRX_STi]

GT3 as the premier GT class ! why ?
the GT2 is offring great battles this year in the both LM series and FIA GT ! so why replace it with the less powerful GT3 ?

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by JAG

Porsche for example could run a 997 Turbo in GT1, the chassis would be similar to a 997 GT3 RSR, but the engine would be an unrestricted Turbo putting out similar power to the road car.

Just a small note of clarification: Porsche would run it's 997 GT2 (model) which is a turbo. It is different to the normal Porsche Turbo. The road going 997 Porsche Turbo has about 480 bhp whilst the new road going 997 GT2 has 530 bhp. Also - The 997 Turbo is four wheel drive whilst the GT2 is not.
The 997 GT3 RSR is the car that Porsche currently uses in GT2 and is non-Turbo

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I highly doubt we will see unrestricted engines. I know that is what Ratel said but it would do nothing but spark a h.p. war. I think that it would/will end up more like the GT-2 formula that already exsists just heavier weight and less restrictor (more air) for a given displacement. IMO of course!

L.P.

Unrestrited? I and many others would love to see that. But not likely.

If the corvettes could tune and run their cars unrestricted, not likley as it would require too much mechainical changes to the LS7.r, but if they did, the corvette speeds and times would be closer to the Audi times and speeds. Estimated of around 900 BHP.

Personally I dont think we will ever see a Ferrari 599 GTC in GT1. Ferrari is too busy with their F430, F1 programs and the new A1GP cars & engine program. Plus the Ferrari F430 Challange race program. But sure would be cool if they did.

IIRC the Porsche 997 GT3 RSR is a much different car then the GT2. The bodies may look alike, but under the skin, there is enough of a difference.

Besides GT1 should be the premier sports car race class for developing new cars, almost unrestricted race cars, not always customer cars. That is what GT2 is for.

[HORNDAWG]

Hugh de Chaunac said that the ACO will make the 2010 regulations official in two weeks. So we should probably know by the Friday after next.
*via Motors TV report by David Legangneux.

L.P.

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Hugh de Chaunac said that the ACO will make the 2010 regulations official in two weeks. So we should probably know by the Friday after next.
*via Motors TV report by David Legangneux.

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...07#post2064707

[Sportscarguy08]

Originally Posted by gttouring

make current Gt2 regs and change it to GT1 (introduce a New GT2 Corvette and Aston)

I think Aston is already ahead of you:
[CENTER]

mod note: images from dailysportscar removed - p-c

my guess is that these are for customers and not the factory as they were testing the GT1 DBR9 as well....

[Sportscarguy08]

I think that this car could be a real challenger.
(btw, the images shown were not taken by me therefore are not mine)

[tblincoe]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Hugh de Chaunac said that the ACO will make the 2010 regulations official in two weeks. So we should probably know by the Friday after next.
*via Motors TV report by David Legangneux.

L.P.

Will the announcement include the regulations for GT's, or just prototypes? I'm not sure if the GT issue will be resolved by then...

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by tblincoe

Will the announcement include the regulations for GT's, or just prototypes? I'm not sure if the GT issue will be resolved by then...

Both. and my guess YES the GT issure will be resolved. However, many ppl might not like the answeres

[Sportscarguy08]

What will happen to the new GT2 european championship if the gt3 rules are adopted by the aco?

both parties need to come up with something that benefits both series.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Sportscarguy08

What will happen to the new GT2 european championship if the gt3 rules are adopted by the aco?

both parties need to come up with something that benefits both series.

We will see in a few days, But IMO the ACO does not addopt anyone rules. It is the other way around.

[tblincoe]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Both. and my guess YES the GT issure will be resolved. However, many ppl might not like the answeres

Is that a firm, confirmed "both" or the the result of speculation? I'm just trying to clarify, as I hope that both rules sets are announced. However, it hasn't been entirely clear that the GT rules decision would be made until early 2008 due to ongoing discussions with the SRO/FIA.

[AU N EGL]

I am sure the ACO will make their announcements soon for both classes. It is up to the FIA/SRO to adapt the ACOs rules. Not the other way around or a joint agreements. I could be wrong, but then again the ACO will do what they want. the ACO has the LM24. Not the other way around.

Winning the LM24 for sports car manufactures ( with works or privateer team) is one of the biggest Sports Car Marketing Exercises out side F1.

[Dani Filth]

and selling arouns 5 cars for LMS+ALMS=>LM24h is a good idea to make money from

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

I am sure the ACO will make their announcements soon for both classes. It is up to the FIA/SRO to adapt the ACOs rules. Not the other way around or a joint agreements. I could be wrong, but then again the ACO will do what they want. the ACO has the LM24. Not the other way around.

Winning the LM24 for sports car manufactures ( with works or privateer team) is one of the biggest Sports Car Marketing Exercises out side F1.

That is like saying that the IMSA should adopt GARRA rules because they have the Daytona 24 hr race.

As pixilated as the FIA can be, the last thing you want running the whole show is the ACO.

[gwyllion]

It seems GT3 like performance balancing is silently being implemented in GT2? George Howard Chappell said the following in an interview with Racecar Engineering:

It’s been a clear decision by us to build an affordable GT2 car. It’s more economically priced than the Porsche and it’s a lot better deal than the Ferraris. And with performance balancing now in place, it’s very pointless making a really expensive car that people struggle to afford. The ACO will adopt the majority of what the FIA do in order to equalise the car. They too are not in favour of people spending huge R&D budgets making a fast racing car for no good reason.

source: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...n-le-mans.html

[FIRE]

Mixed feelings about performance balancing in GT2. I like the GT3 series (especially FIA GT3, British GT3) but GT2 is a place were manufacturers can showcase their engineering skills. On the other hand spectators want to see big grids, close racing and different manufacturers. If a performance balanced GT2 class delivers close racing, lower costs, more manufacturers and big grids like in FIA GT3 I would say give it a try. According this quote from Chappell they agree with performance balancing. What do Porsche and Ferrari want? If I remember well Porsche is not a fan of GT3. With Ferraris current succes I think they don't like it either.

[gucom]

Personally I feel performance balancing has no place at Le Mans, it's meant to be a test of engineering skills, what's the point if you cancel any advantage that you create while using those skills?

'to make a fast racing car for no good reason' => say what???

[Dani Filth]

yeah .. that quote caught my attention too ..
he's not an engineer .. that's for sure
the answer for that would be .. "because we can"

[Dario911]

If you consider the level of the actual GT3 cars, they're not so distant from GT2 for engine specs: Porsche 911 GT3 Cup S has 440 ps, the same power of the 430 GT2, while F430 GT3 has got 490 ps.
Both, 911 Cup S and 430 GT3, are cheaper than GT2, and the main differences are in aerodynamic exasperation and electronic systems.
I think it would be interesting to change GT2 with GT3, to have a larger number of cars and teams (not only Porsche and Ferrari).
But, from another point of view, the lap time difference from the LMP1, LMP2 and GT1 would be too much, and this would be a risk in a race like Le Mans.
Otherwise, it should be necessary to replace the actual GT1 with GT2, and the actual GT2 with the GT3. In this way, the the new GT1s and GT2s would be closer.

[PorscheFanNo1]

With GT2 and GT3 now almost identical, I say make it one class and throw it out of LeMans, the 2nd GT class is not needed there and GT1 is where the manufacturers should fight against each others, not in a lower class, leave that to the privateers.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Dario911

If you consider the level of the actual GT3 cars, they're not so distant from GT2 for engine specs: Porsche 911 GT3 Cup S has 440 ps, the same power of the 430 GT2, while F430 GT3 has got 490 ps.

the currect GT2 Porsche is much faster then the GT3 porsche counterpart.
Might want too look at the tech differences.