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12 Sep 2016, 19:19 (Ref:3671949) | #1801 | |
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Ginetta didn't drop their P3. And the ACO didn't allow Ginetta into P2.
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12 Sep 2016, 21:28 (Ref:3671967) | #1802 | |
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I did. Ginetta didn't cover themselves with glory with the LMP3. Had it been better then they may have been granted a P2 license. It wasn't reliable, the build quality was poor and teams complained of support issues. It didn't paint them in a good light for a LMP2 program.
But the LMP3 was almost completely dropped. They don't even list it as a current vehicle on their website (http://www.ginetta.com/cars.php). The article also didn't really say much about future LMP3 plans. Some of the cars will run in the British Prototype series. Very good, but what we really want to know is if they'll ran in the big boy leagues. That wasn't really answered and the question about the future turned into a bragging paragraph about how great the car is. For a car they haven't dropped, they seem remarkably quiet about it. I know it's not cool to rag on Ginetts, and it's a shame because I do love the G40/G50. But the LMP3 was a bit of a bodge job and was clearly rushed to get it out before anything else. It's a shame because now nobody wants to run them. |
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12 Sep 2016, 22:05 (Ref:3671975) | #1803 | |
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For the record, the expected entry for AsLMs this year is pretty strong. Let's hope they materialise
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13 Sep 2016, 00:56 (Ref:3671999) | #1804 | |
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Last season they spoke of live streaming for aslms this season but they could be full of hot air. They have also shot themselves in the foot by scheduling the first round a week after elms which makes it impossible for elms teams to run their cars for the first round. The series has potential, but only if they stop pointing the gun at their own head.
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13 Sep 2016, 11:51 (Ref:3672064) | #1805 | ||
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ORECA have dumped Brembo for AP Racing after a series of problems.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...ng-issues.html |
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13 Sep 2016, 12:11 (Ref:3672071) | #1806 | |
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I suspect they'll be allowed to change that despite homologation issues, based on safety grounds. Can't have a bunch of cars out on track with questionable braking systems.
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Brembo have been dumped faster than headphone sockets on smartphones it seems.
Can't say I have any issues with the quick switch, clearly there is a big problem with at least one batch at Brembo. |
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13 Sep 2016, 13:01 (Ref:3672092) | #1808 | |
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It seems that Brembo has a problem about supply of compound of carbon brake.
Brembo has also the trouble which couldn't supply "2015 spec" brake pad compound to Japanese Super Formula this year. Super Formula changed brake bland from Brembo to Hitoco due to this trouble. |
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13 Sep 2016, 13:20 (Ref:3672098) | #1809 | ||
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Thanks for that JS. The hole deepends for Brembo.
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Granted, this is a thread for LMP2, but in LMP1 and both GTE classes (for sure GTE Pro), I don't think that there's a restriction that the calipers and rotors have to come from the same supplier.
For instance, Audi and Porsche both use Brembo calipers, but they could be using Brembo, Hitco, AP or Carbon Indistrie rotors. And for pads, you can add to those mentioned brands like Performance Friction, Raybestos, Willwood, and others. Some teams in F1 or LMP900/LMP1 have been know to use the same brand of calipers, but different rotor/pad combinations on different cars or for different tracks due to driver preference or performance characteristics. Granted, the ACO don't want that to happen in LMP2 due to trying to keep car and maintenance costs down. But does LMP2 have a rule that caliper/pads and rotor supply have to be from the same company or can they mix/match brands prior to homologation for the season? |
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13 Sep 2016, 21:26 (Ref:3672229) | #1812 | |
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Well I hope the old homologation isn't withdrawn, because it's a major unexpected expense to dump on teams, particularly in elms with only 2 rounds remaining and some haven't had even an inkling of an issue with the package.
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But there might be extenuating factors such as you mention. Especially if the failure is not pervasive. They may allow continued use of the old for a short period of time (end of 2016 season??) If someone has insider or direct knowledge of how this process works, please speak up. I assume this is not the first time something like this has happened and that precedents exist for how to proceed. Richard |
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14 Sep 2016, 02:35 (Ref:3672256) | #1815 | ||
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If AP Racing is owned by Brembo, then why wouldn't the ACO claim that they're parts from the same company aside from brand name? Also odd how the main company is having issues with LMP2 brakes, but a division owned by them isn't.
And on the Indy Car deal, until Brembo came in with the DW12, Indy Car used steel rotors, and only switched to carbon/carbon brakes with the DW12. Also, the Brembo brake package in that series was built to a price. Could that be part of the issue with the LMP2 brake rotors? |
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14 Sep 2016, 06:07 (Ref:3672269) | #1816 | |
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So the info I recieved is that the brembo package is no longer homologated and all 05 teams must change to the AP package at their own expense (25 to 35k euro). No word on whether the teams will be compensated. Ouch.
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14 Sep 2016, 11:32 (Ref:3672310) | #1818 | |
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Was this not a thing all the way back in 2014? Oak/G-Drive had continued problems with the brakes on the Ligier and it ended up costing G-Drive the championship IIRC when a brake failed. I seem to recall that being Brembo as well, and a continued problem.
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14 Sep 2016, 17:34 (Ref:3672379) | #1819 | |
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You mean that crash at Interlagos? I was going to post about this as well, but was not sure whether it was a brake issue.
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14 Sep 2016, 19:29 (Ref:3672389) | #1820 | |
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I remember some interview with rusinov, he was pretty livid about those damn brembo brakes back when g-drive was with onroak
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Ehh I don't know, the new Onroak looks more... bulby... narrower at the same time... I don't know how that works
Oh and because of the ever continuing "everybody needs to win" attitude of course, how about another meaningless sub class http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...s-lmp2-format/ But at least there won't be one (I think) at LM |
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23 Sep 2016, 19:08 (Ref:3674595) | #1824 | |
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I like it, those headlights look good
Regarding the new class, well the new LMP2s will certainly be a tad faster than the current cars, so I don't really see a problem with it (and it won't be around for long anyway) |
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