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Got to agree about the maintenance people from the Ring, they really are the speediest around.
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Of course, the reason for this is that the Nordschlife, when not used for racing, is used on a daily basis by the general Public to do single pass runs or time attack. And with that, there are multiple accidents that range from a simple shunt to an outright barrel-roll. The repair crews have lots of experience due to constant activity, whereas the areas for Le Mans is only used for one month.
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This is a really good observation, and I don't know the answer either! Sometimes a car spins and it is a local yellow, but then maybe there is too much debris on track so they call slow zone, but still not sure what elevates it to a safety car instead of a full course yellow? They have loads of options to neutralize the race in the name of safety, and maybe it is just us on the internet who want to know the thought process! |
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Well, I dont think that several laps behind the SC helps to keep the tires within the ideal temps range. A driver reported that when the green was, at last, turned on, it could take a full lap to reach the race temp.
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If the car is off track, but still able to move, then it's a local yellow/slow zone while they assist the car back on the track. If the car is immobile, FCY to remove it. If there is substancial damage to the area, such as guardrail damage/dislodging, then FCY to fix said area and re-establish the running order before said incident happened.
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Cadillacs were pretty impressive especially after Thursday fire and a couple of shunts. Peugeot had their time in sun/rain til gone 3am and great to see racing without tyre use completely switching results in last hour or so. The unavailable block on front right corner of T23 had quite a few empty seats at start and was only 25 to 33% full for last 90 mins or so. Toilet queues pretty bad - removal of old outdoor one (5O% of capacity) a shocker. Didn’t expect the free ferry across the Seine today after a minor diversion for fuel. Roads inside circuit pretty good - got out and back from BSJ Porsche curves to Super U change Thursday, Friday and Saturday (20 min delay on dual carriageway and area near arena). BSJ security at entrance quicker so wasn’t as bad getting in there from Arnage direction. Overall 9/10 for organisation and event. |
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Agree it was inconsistent- long barrier repairs like at first Mulsanne chicane a year or two back would be a nightmare under FCY.
First hour of race is main spectacle on TV around the world - not good. SC makes it very dull and quiet - seemed to go on for 50 mins or so whilst at Indianapolis from 12.30am. Especially when there’s a high attrition rate. Takes so long to catchup when stragglers let go. Any car in between SC and last Hypercar on same lap should just be made to run through a closed pit and join on back - maybe give them a lap for a virtual free pitstop and emergency pitstops only for Hypercar. |
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it seems that most of repairs were done with slow-zone conditions, it was the case with the crash of the Porsche Proton #88 at Indianapolis. One of the biggest accident I saw from track side in 39 years. The replacement of the rails were done quickly. The SZ was justified by the duration of the entire operation.
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The beeb has an article on Le Mans. Covers a lot of ground.
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The battle to win Le Mans!
To really tell the battle for the win other cars could be included, but I've kept it simple and just those that finished on the podium. There is a second chart which is just the Top 2. SC and FCY are shown. Slow zone laps are not. A spike up the car pitted before the leader, a spike down and it was after. Spikes can be pitstops if they don't pit on the same lap. If you don't go back to the same gap from before the pitstop you gained or lost time in the stop sequence. You see this with the last stop for the Ferrari. Generally the Toyota was losing out to the Ferrari through a stint. Except notably in the last Hartley stint. After the FCY at 129 the Cadillac was losing about 1.8s/lap. Some of that was the top up of oil, but there was a steady drop off. |
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13 Jun 2023, 12:31 (Ref:4163512) | #1864 | ||
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That graph is really hard for Hirakawa. Anytime he gets in the car, the gap inclination is really, really steeper than his other teammates.
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And when there's a succession of SZ's with so many cars on the track and a long track it seems to me rather difficult to resolve. Unless it's up to any chef de poste to say to the RC "no, not now". Dont get me wrong, I'm not sayin' that SZ's are not a good alternative to SC just wondering how it's possible to handle this, at least at LM track. |
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In an ideal world you would have progressive slow zones where you slow down in steps rather than going from flat out to a crawl, but that is probably hard to implement in practice.
That would also allow you to remove the SlowZone in stages (from the middle out) as well. |
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Honestly we have had this system of SZ since 2106 I think and there was never a issue until twice in this race.
Also what Kobayashi is referring to is a system like in 2015 where SZs were per corner, and that led to the Audi 8 crash when loads of cars were slowing at different rates at the end of the rundown to Indianapolis. I think this system where the SZ stars after a natural slow down for a corner is safest for everybody. Just some drivers need to pay attention and their teams to keep them informed. Also maybe do not implement SZs whilst cars are going through the breaking point , maybe wait for that one to be cleared first |
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Well Well Well....I know this is par for the course and in post race scrutineering the officials can ask to see any parts but it doesn't look great for Inter Europol.... Surprised they didn't take any from GTE AM cars.
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It appears the desire to not leave a hundredth on the table and what appears to be VERY poor wording on the in car screen lead to a couple of the collisions. It seems like there is a yellow waved before the SZ area so no passing but that wasn't clear from a few comments. If it is true there is a yellow before the SZ and drivers were trying to drive hard to the SZ line ignoring the yellow you can't pass than is a rule change needed? Or is it more the lack of respect of other cars existence on track and ****-poor team communication to driver of when you must slow. It did seem like more than once cars were steaming in to a slow zone like a GP in to the pits. To me that's why you can't have too much warning cause drivers are gonna go the last mm before slowing even if they don't need to push it that hard.
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If they've been stripping down the car for hours they must have an idea about what they're looking at. Its a one make series and often the best scrutineer is your pit neigbhour. Or ex-wife or a former mechanic you've fired!
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I can see the ACO wanting to take stuff from the highest finishing entry of each Hypercar, but why for LMP2, which is a defacto spec class?
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Why? Because rules are rules and cheating in any category is not permitted. And its the LMP2 winner. But having a look at who was second and third could give you an idea. From the link only was has been stripped down…
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