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It's not the ACO's responsibility to check cars fuel capacities or rig rates.
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18 Jun 2019, 08:04 (Ref:3912624) | #1927 | |
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There is absolutely no way to determine a car is 100% legal without tearing it down after the fact or having the technical inspectors build the car themselves immediately before it goes on track. It is in absolutely no conceivable or practical way the organizers' responsibility that teams participate with a legal car, particularly when it doesn't concern safety. That's why there's penalties in every single racing series ever.
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18 Jun 2019, 11:11 (Ref:3912646) | #1929 | |
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If they want to make it a rule then yes, yes it is. It's a BS run of penalties given other teams were given a verbal warning for things with much greater impact on the racing but .1L, which was not found out until the car was ripped apart to check every last drop, gets you excluded? Sorry but over pressure and under minimum refueling actually impacts the racing and should be more than a Don't do that again or we'll tell you not to do it again ruling
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From personal experience bag tanks tens to expand when in a hot car, perhaps that was the problem with the volume. However the 44.4 secs rather than 45 secs fueling time should have been spotted by the team early on. |
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The penalty for mid-session BoP infractions are directly stated in the sporting regulations. The only ones you don't get at least one reprimand for before a time penalty in a race session are using more 1.02x or more than the maximum fuel per lap, using more than the maximum fuel per stint, team fault for fuel flow meter error, and messing with sensor signals, as well as the mandatory repair for CAN channel errors and excessive cockpit temps. Overboosting and under-lambda are each 5s stop go penalties on the second offense and 30 on the third offense, which rather covers the .5s you might gain from a single overboost in the right place. Even American open wheel has never strictly enforced maximum boost limits as such, you'd just get hammered by the pop-off valve opening up or the spec ECU's hard cut when you overboost. |
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18 Jun 2019, 17:50 (Ref:3912712) | #1932 | |
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Just to point out, the car was not 0.1L over. It was at least 0.1L over.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/wp-con...lification.pdf "The "Maximum Onboard Fuel Volume" of the car, measured by the scrutineers using calibrated measuring churns, was found to be at leasy 96.1 lites. As the fuel volume recovered by draining out the fuel already exceeded the maximum permitted volume, the Scrutineers reported to the Stewards that they did not open the tank and recover the fuel that is usually found in the tank after the draining procedure is complete, meaning the complete on-board volume is likely to be greater than the measured amount. The car failed the checks before they even completed them. It was then rechecked by the scrutineers and found to be greater than the 96.1 lites discovered in the first check. Keating observed the second check and agreed with it. It also clarifies how Ford/Keating checked the car beforehand - using weight and density. So someone did some incorrect maths, rather than good old fashioned fill it and see. Still gutted - it was the car I wanted to win. But someone made an ar*e of this one, unfortunately. And since Keating rightly said he put it on max fuel usage during his hero stint at the end, using the argument of "we didn't use it" doesn't work |
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May I offer you some respite from the rather messy end to proceedings with my gallery from Saturday - gallery for Sunday to follow in the next day or so. |
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18 Jun 2019, 21:20 (Ref:3912754) | #1934 | ||
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It's many years since I wielded a camera at a modern meeting and it's also many years since I was at an event as a spectator so, I took rather a lot of photos, of which I've posted the one's I like the best. Tried to capture all the cars but who knows I may have missed a few.
Sunday https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEmLDLT Saturday https://www.flickr.com/gp/40981912@N03/7p6nmV Thursday Qual: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEmm1dt Thursday Ferrari Challenge: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEmb1Ln Thursday RTLM: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEmg2ad Wednesday: https://www.flickr.com/gp/40981912@N03/Lzv5q5 Hope they captured the weekend, we really enjoyed ourselves. |
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18 Jun 2019, 21:49 (Ref:3912758) | #1935 | ||
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Some background on the Bentley that ran in the Road to Le Mans races.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...sa-connection/ |
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19 Jun 2019, 03:38 (Ref:3912785) | #1936 | ||
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Well, one thing is clear: since the race finished, it’s nothing but talk about the losers, conspiracy theories, and what’s wrong with WEC/ACO. This just after what many called a golden age.
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19 Jun 2019, 03:41 (Ref:3912786) | #1937 | ||
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But how about those Porsche Curves this year huh? They seemed particularly hungry this year.
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19 Jun 2019, 10:33 (Ref:3912842) | #1938 | ||
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Sadly, I think that Audi Sport spoiled us (and the ACO) for sticking around for so long in the top class. Same for when we had Audi, Porsche and Toyota fielding competitive cars at LM.
Not to mention that quite a few people have developed a dislike of the current rules package for LM and the WEC, the ACO clamping down on some stuff at the track itself, and people having a dislike of certain figures within the ACO and FIA. Believe me, the same thing has happened with NASCAR because of the on-track product not living up to expectations. When that happens, the blame game starts. |
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19 Jun 2019, 13:18 (Ref:3912874) | #1939 | |
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I definitely thought it was an improvement on last year's race - which was a low point for me in my time attending. Some niggling regulation stuff still jars and I don't trust the ACO to close things up next year. Some decent-sized shunts meant safety cars which did mess things up a bit. Shame about the late F-up from Toyota but it will at least make the race stand out further in the memory in years to go. Respect to Toyota, they are running almost faultlessly these days reliability-wise.
Probably had our best pitch ever in Houx this year which was good. Also managed to go in the Ford GT pits for final qualifying which was an amazing experience. Finding myself getting the camera out less and less at Le Mans these days. Difficult to do anything too unique and I struggle for motivation to be honest. That said, here's some photos from the race: https://www.flickr.com/photos/949985...57709154323182 1 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr 6 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr 2 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/949985...7709154323182/ 4 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr 5 by Richard Simpson, on Flickr |
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Good pics. Certainly shooting below the fencekine gives a better result, instead of looking down all the time.
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Sunday gallery now up. As some may know I contribute to www.pistonclick.com (LM report will follow shortly). Originally planned to only take my point and shoot and do a different sort of report but at the last moment decided to take the DSLR and glad I did. Need to take the long zoom next year though ... plus a lens elf to carry it round for me. Playing around with some slower shutter speeds at Tertre Rouge plus some through the fence at Dunlop which I have tended to shy away from in the past. It's a bit like Silverstone in terms of riding a decent backdrop but overall broadly happy with the results. |
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19 Jun 2019, 15:32 (Ref:3912905) | #1942 | |
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Tom Dillman has admitted Kolles weren’t ready for Le Mans. I guess it’s hard with the Super Season being a bit continuous.
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DragonSpeed have had the intention to use the Ginetta-AER instead BR1-Gibson in Le Mans?
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I fail to see who had anything to gain actually. * The BR1 is not a bad car, otherwise SMP would not have had the results either * Dragonspeed seems to be unable to get the car sorted. Does that tell us something about the car, or something about the team itself? Now let them change the BR1 to a car they have 0 experience with, and that hasn't been raced for a year. I'll agree that the Ginetta has been developed and upgraded and all, but I don't think it is at BR1 level yet, certainly not in the hands of a team that has no experience with it. Let's say they achieve the same results as with their BR1, then what would be the conclusion? * the Ginetta is still no good ? or * the Ginetta is still not reliable (enough) ? or * Dragonspeed is not the right team to run such a car ? or * ... I don't think Dragonspeed would have gained anything in this scenario and I'm not sure it would have done Ginetta a lot of good either, by putting in a race rather unprepared. Let them prepare for 2019-2020 and we'll see at the races what the car is worth. Quote:
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I think the BR1-Gibson could be a difficult combination to put together. It has proved to be fast, but very few reliable.
About DragonSpeed trying to run a Ginetta, I think it could be more an idea from Ginetta, than a desire of DragonSpeed. |
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19 Jun 2019, 21:38 (Ref:3912981) | #1946 | |
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I wouldn't worry about Dragonspeed being able to sort out the car because it almost certainly would have been a factory Ginetta run under Dragonspeed's entry, perhaps most cynically in the way ESM rented out their second WEC slot for a couple rounds after they decided they were quitting. Which is probably not an unconsidered factor in not allowing it. The ACO doesn't want people selling on their Le Mans entries, you either race it as intended or withdraw and let a reserve in.
The RTN change for next season is also in large part about a switch from a Dutch collaboration to TDS Racing rent a team. They're just straight up buying a winning package and plugging their livery and drivers in, I don't think they'd buy an ORECA if it was still going to be run by Davytec. |
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For interest here is the gap between the #7 and #8. When 8 is ahead it is positive, when 7 ahead it is negative. Pitstops for each car are shown above and below the 0 axis.
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