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29 Jan 2020, 17:06 (Ref:3954441) | #176 | ||
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Hopefully the announcements start picking up soon. |
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30 Jan 2020, 17:33 (Ref:3954590) | #178 | ||
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In all fairness, there were roughly 3 times more entries announced this time last year. I think Hyundai and Cyan have some yet to be announced deals worked out, possibly PWR and Cupra too, but aside from that it does seem very uncertain..the grid size should still be better than TC1 though (fingers crossed firmly).
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30 Jan 2020, 19:03 (Ref:3954601) | #179 | |
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If the deals were in place, and everything was just fine, we'd have hear more announcements by now.
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30 Jan 2020, 21:52 (Ref:3954633) | #180 | |
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The main problem is the series isn't sure what it is meant to be. The series allegedly doesn't have works entries (albeit a few are indistinguishable from being works entries) yet goes to a load of venues that have little appeal to the wealthy amateur driver (Morocco, China, Korea and Malaysia might interest manufacturers, but not most gentlemen drivers). And the 4 of the 5 rounds in Europe are pretty uninspiring too. Compare that with a GT series, where the amateur can get a top line driver to share his car with, race a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Mercedes and travel to a range of top circuits in Europe such as Brands Hatch, Zandvoort, Catalunya, Silverstone and Spa Francorchamps, it's not difficult to see why GT makes a lot more sense.
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31 Jan 2020, 04:33 (Ref:3954662) | #181 | ||
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We’re not talking about gentleman drivers like Douglas Khoo here..but the young 20-something year olds like Denis Dupont or Ben Lessennes. They still need to find a budget to go racing themselves, so why do it in a slower car with less exposure on worse tracks for the same money?
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31 Jan 2020, 08:17 (Ref:3954670) | #182 | ||
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31 Jan 2020, 11:08 (Ref:3954714) | #183 | |
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SLR out.
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31 Jan 2020, 11:12 (Ref:3954716) | #184 | ||
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https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...irm-wtcr-exit/
they said they would like to continue in touring car racing altough their exit from wtcr. I wonder if they plan to move to TCR Europe with VW or if they just want to act like Romeo Ferraris that built and sell cars in all tcr national championship. |
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31 Jan 2020, 11:20 (Ref:3954718) | #185 | ||
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To start another topic, the case of SLR is sad lets see if Bennani and/or Huff end up in a seat elsewhere. |
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2 Feb 2020, 09:53 (Ref:3955255) | #189 | ||
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Maybe touring cars should be cheap but in comparison to things like formulas or DTM it is still cheap. I don't think racing could be really much cheaper than it is. Some measures to lower costs are taken (TCR is cheap in comparison to former WTCC) but it'll always be expensive. TCR is a perfect example. It was meant to be cheap but with time the costs have been inevitably rising. I think it has always been the case in motorsport. |
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So i agree, TCR is cheap. |
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2 Feb 2020, 20:12 (Ref:3955337) | #192 | |
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TCR has gotten expensive but the cost of previous regulation got expensive
In the 80s we had Group A, That got too expensive, so the regulations that became Supertouring were introduced as a way to lower costs. By the late 1990s that became too expensive, I have heard Ford spent around £20 Million to win the BTCC in 2000, So has a way to lower costs S2000 was introduced but that then became too expensve, so TCR was introduced as a cheaper alternative. Now TCR costs seem to be creeping up and in a few years someone will probably introduce a cheaper replacement for TCR, and eventually that regulation will also become too expensive. |
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2 Feb 2020, 21:08 (Ref:3955344) | #193 | |
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Exactly what I was thinking about. Creating rules that are cheap and WILL stay cheap is a utopia.
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One of the few exceptions I can think of in customer Motorsport is GT3 which is nearly 10 years old now and still going strong, so SRO have definitely done something right to manage the expenses even with a high level of manufacturer support. Hopefully, eTCR will be cost managed better over time, but if it works it’ll undoubtedly attract OEM money again and lead to costs spiralling upwards again..or alternatively cement the Formula for the future. |
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3 Feb 2020, 09:54 (Ref:3955427) | #195 | ||
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As far as i can oversee it, the Superstars series from last decade was a brilliant thing...building spectacular cars from street cars. Maybe it is now the time for something like that.
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3 Feb 2020, 10:06 (Ref:3955429) | #196 | ||
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The rest take a minimal salary from a cut of the sponsorship they bring to secure the drive. TCR cars are meant to be cheap to run. It's the teams that run them that jack the costs up, when they want to run at the front of the field. Those guys are throwing dampers and short-life engines at them every event, multiple gearboxes throughout the weekend, new pads and rotors for every session... These cars were intended to do a season on one gearbox and set of dampers, two seasons on an engine, and pads and rotors every 1-2 meetings. |
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3 Feb 2020, 10:09 (Ref:3955430) | #197 | |
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Looks unclear for the new season, as the series allows more "independent" teams to participate, but we also see many seasoned participants are getting out from this kitchen.
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3 Feb 2020, 10:31 (Ref:3955437) | #198 | ||
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Anyone still knows/remembers, if ahead of last season there were more possible entries, if there was not a limit per manufacturer?
In the moment, we lost "only" VW, maybe Alfa. I would say, an Audi-team could be still possible, even if not factory support. |
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3 Feb 2020, 12:55 (Ref:3955458) | #199 | ||
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I’d love to see something along the lines of that, bring it back to how it was in the 70s/80s where the ‘average joe’ could build something up and compete competitively amongst some of the big names
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3 Feb 2020, 14:02 (Ref:3955467) | #200 | ||
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https://it.motorsport.com/wtcr/news/...ciali/4679514/
Reading the interview of Adamo the only tcr driver confirmed is Luca Engstler but it's not clear if he will race in WTCR (Hyundai didn't confirm yet if they will be in WTCR 2020) or again in some other TCR championship. If he should enter in wtcr team (imho) I think the more likely to be replaced would be Tarquini. |
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