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Old 15 Nov 2014, 18:38 (Ref:3475088)   #176
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RAdio le mans said Sarrazin doubel stinted, it this true ?
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 18:57 (Ref:3475095)   #177
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Well, the change of guard in endurance racing is happening... should Toyota win in Interlagos!
Then again putting Le Mans aside it's not like their season long record since works opposition started has been that great anyways

ALMS 2007 - champs but no (P1) competition
ALMS 2008 - champs but no (P1) competition apart from Sebring&PLM
LMS 2008 - champs
ILMC 2010 - defeat
ILMC 2011 - defeat
WEC 2012 - champs but Toyota only started from 3rd round
WEC 2013 - champs
WEC 2014 - defeat tba

But I guess since they won all Le Mans bar one none of that really matters at all, same next year
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 19:17 (Ref:3475104)   #178
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So much for Bahrain isn't worth be watched!

Plenty of drama & great racing in all classes.

Toyota's stronghold on the WEC is really getting impressive, if it hadn't been for the torrential rain in Le Mans & Austin they could have easily won all rounds this year!
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 19:19 (Ref:3475105)   #179
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Regarding Audi Domination... all ends someday!!

This year Toyota is showing they are the best, but Porsche will go faster in 2015.

Next year will be awesome...Audi will fightback, Toyota will cary on their strong pace, Porsche will be serious contenders.... and Nissan... let's wait and see.
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 20:37 (Ref:3475140)   #180
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 21:05 (Ref:3475149)   #181
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Congratulations to Toyota and the #8 crew.
Called it. Everyone please ignore the fact that I was obviously talking about the race victory as the drivers' title was a formality

Not sure why so many people think Audi being comprehensively outpaced is novel, but as long as they keep winning Le Mans the illusion of speed will stick in your mind I suppose.

Edit - Just seen a replay of the #1 punting #27 off @ T1. Can someone who watched it happen live explain how/why #27 was penalized (instead of #1) for that?
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 21:29 (Ref:3475160)   #182
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but as long as they keep winning Le Mans the illusion of speed will stick in your mind I suppose.
Winning Lemans is still probably the most important result of the season.
I'm guessing Toyota would happily trade their WEC season championship, for Audis Lemans win.
Hopefully next year, Toyotas reliability can match their pace at Lemans!
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 21:29 (Ref:3475161)   #183
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Winning Lemans is still probably the most important result of the season.
I'm guessing Toyota would happily trade their WEC season championship, for Audis Lemans win.
Hopefully next year, Toyotas reliability can match their pace at Lemans!
Not disagreeing there, although I'd rather have a thrilling race won by Audi than a rout from Toyota or anyone else for that matter.

The thing is, Toyota will have to be not only that much faster, but also that much more reliable and efficient with their pit work if (when) the lack of a third car becomes a factor.
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 22:14 (Ref:3475182)   #185
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Well done to Toyota! Well deserved, hope they can go one better and win Le Mans next year.

Congrats also to Gimmi and Fisi for winning the championship again. Forza forza forza!!!! . Brilliant rebound from the early exit in Shanghai.

And last but not least kudos to the Dane Train for winning GT AM . Way to go guys
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Old 15 Nov 2014, 22:27 (Ref:3475189)   #186
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Winning Lemans is still probably the most important result of the season.
I'm guessing Toyota would happily trade their WEC season championship, for Audis Lemans win.
Hopefully next year, Toyotas reliability can match their pace at Lemans!
Speaking of misconceptions, the Toyotas ARE reliable. This alternator problem was the first major issue for the TS040 this season. At LM, the #8 lost 8 laps because of accident damage and ended up finishing only 6 laps back and the #7 was infamously stranded by an FIA sensor burning through a wiring loom. Both Audis lost multiple laps replacing turbos, the Toyota seems reliable by comparison.
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Speaking of misconceptions, the Toyotas ARE reliable. This alternator problem was the first major issue for the TS040 this season. At LM, the #8 lost 8 laps because of accident damage and ended up finishing only 6 laps back and the #7 was infamously stranded by an FIA sensor burning through a wiring loom. Both Audis lost multiple laps replacing turbos, the Toyota seems reliable by comparison.
Right! To me, the 'reliability' was actually driver error and partial fia sensor bad luck. Until today theyve been nearly bulletproof. It was a good race, one of the best this year.
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Old 16 Nov 2014, 02:44 (Ref:3475258)   #188
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My thoughts:
1) Audi better step it up or even their Le Mans dominance will be at risk. They lack straight away speed. Seems obvious to me what their problem is

2) My hunch is that Nissan will probably be about halfway between Audi and Rebellion in terms of speed next year.

3) GT3 should replace GTE-AM starting in 2016.
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Edit - Just seen a replay of the #1 punting #27 off @ T1. Can someone who watched it happen live explain how/why #27 was penalized (instead of #1) for that?
No. Inexplicable - to me.
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was Mr Alonso in the position of judging the incident or did i just mishear that proir to the race starting
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Old 16 Nov 2014, 17:03 (Ref:3475476)   #191
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1) Audi better step it up or even their Le Mans dominance will be at risk. They lack straight away speed. Seems obvious to me what their problem is
And what is the problem? Conversative choice (focussing on reliability) or unfavorable rules for diesel engine (inability to fully exploit ERS incentive because of higher engine weight)?
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And what is the problem? Conversative choice (focussing on reliability) or unfavorable rules for diesel engine (inability to fully exploit ERS incentive because of higher engine weight)?
They can always go for petrol if they feel that way. And the rules are ok the way they are now, because petrol will always be a better race engine than diesel.
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And the rules are ok the way they are now, because petrol will always be a better race engine than diesel.
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You prefer the sound of Diesels over proper Racing engines then? Each to ther own!
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You prefer the sound of Diesels over proper Racing engines then? Each to ther own!
No I don't, and I too have wished Audi to ditch those diesels now that they've been proven over and over again to the marketing people - so that one annoying factor of the equalization process could be removed. However if he meant that the pure performance (/efficiency) of the petrol engine would always be superior to that of diesel...
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You prefer the sound of Diesels over proper Racing engines then? Each to ther own!
I quite like being able to tell the factory LMP1s apart with my eyes closed - and equally I think Peugeot and Audi would argue their powerplants have comprehensively shown themselves to be proper racing engines!

Back on topic, watched the second half of the race by the fire after a pretty cold spell at Brockley Market, and found it genuinely enjoyable. Is it a magnificent track? No I don't think so, but there was plenty to entertain in both prototype classes, so overall kept attention throughout.
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You prefer the sound of Diesels over proper Racing engines then? Each to ther own!
A Diesel engine will always be more superior to a petrol engine in any application.it may lose by weight but it's power out put and efficientcy will always be superior.


I tried to watch the race but the links some of you guys gave me (thank you by the way!)kept freezing up and the WEC app kept crashing.i updated my iPad to ios8.1 which took forever so I just went to sleep.i woke up during the last fifteen minutes.looked like a good race,I just missed out.should be able to watch Brazil.
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I love the variety currently displayed within the P1 class. It is awesome to see different ideas all delivering similar results.
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And what is the problem? Conversative choice (focussing on reliability) or unfavorable rules for diesel engine (inability to fully exploit ERS incentive because of higher engine weight)?
Unfavorable rules for diesel! man, how things have changed from just last year.
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