Andretti F1 - 2025

[Richard C]

This reminds me of the line from the movie Silverado. In which the corrupt sheriff says...

"We'll give him a fair trail followed by a first class hanging"

Today was the hanging. The fix was in from the start.

Richard

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Well, well, well, seems I wasn't so far from it after all.

LOL! They weren't accepted. The future date is like telling your children "maybe tomorrow" as a way to try to portray yourself as not saying "no". There is nothing binding. Nothing but PR spin.

Richard

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Richard C

LOL! They weren't accepted. The future date is like telling your children "maybe tomorrow" as a way to try to portray yourself as not saying "no". There is nothing binding. Nothing but PR spin.

Richard

LOL yourself. Maybe you missed where I wrote "possibly" not to mention the official quotes from today, such as “we would look differently on an application for the entry of a team into the 2028 championship with a GM power unit, either as a GM works team or as a GM customer team designing all allowable components in-house.”

Anyway 2027-2029 was the word for months, so I am 100% certain Andretti knew what was coming. (Unsaid message, buy Haas.)

[v8supes]

The good thing for Liberty is that although social media seems almost all up in arms about the decision, the younger viewers they attracted to the sport arent going to stop watching, clicking or swiping. So the money is safe for now...

[JHamilton]

I'm not surprised at the result but I am surprised at the insulting language used in the statement, not just to Andretti Autosport but General Motors as well. If I'm in PR, there is no way I'm letting that make its way to the public. "We're not going to share our money" is more direct and understandable.

Also, this isn't coming from FOM/Liberty/FIA. The tail wags the dog now.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The good thing for Liberty is that although social media seems almost all up in arms about the decision, the younger viewers they attracted to the sport arent going to stop watching, clicking or swiping. So the money is safe for now...

For the hundreds of millions of US dollars that Andretti Global planned to spend on this, they can easily start a breakaway series and try to develop its own commercial value.

I doubt A1GP or Superleague Formula organisers ever spent more than $500m USD before they went bankrupt.

Heck $500m USD was probably even Champcar World Series' budget to fund multiple entrants and multiple events for multiple seasons before they went bankrupt!

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The good thing for Liberty is that although social media seems almost all up in arms about the decision, the younger viewers they attracted to the sport arent going to stop watching, clicking or swiping. So the money is safe for now...

I don’t know if that is a smart thing to base a decision on.
The great upsurge in F1 popularity was created by the perfect storm of Netflix and the incredible 2021 season.Teams or indeed Liberty did nothing special that caused the growth.
Issue is that all reality TV shows lose popularity as they largely repeat themselves season after season.On top of that a lot of the the new fans aren’t going to stick around once they realise that 2021 was a once in a generation season and watching Max win 20 races a year isn’t going to keep them there either.Although still high ticket sales at some of the races are already beginning to fall off.
Then there’s the effect of how this will play out in the US which is their target market for growth.Thinking there may be more of a kick back than they think there will be.

[GTRMagic]

Was that sound we heard Mr Haas adding an extra zero on his whiteboard for the buy price of SteinerF1?

[steve_r]

The full statement from F1 is confusing and contradictory. Fears that they would not be competitive with a customer engine. Saying that they would be more favourable to the application if it involved a GM engine from day 1. But a new team with a new engine would in no way be as competitive when compared to using an existing engine. Even criticising the team for starting work on a 2025 car already.

They put out a long lawyer-speak statement that is contradictory to itself and does not stand up to even a simple logic test. I'm embarrassed for F1. This hits a new low.

[Sandgroper]

What a shame.

More the merrier I say but the peeps dont want to share their royalties

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by v8supes

The good thing for Liberty is that although social media seems almost all up in arms about the decision, the younger viewers they attracted to the sport arent going to stop watching, clicking or swiping. So the money is safe for now...

I'm not too sure about that. If Andretti's entry had been accepted, that would have helped keep the younger viewers who have been attracted in the US to F1, clicking and swiping. The US is where Liberty wants to grow F1. With no Andretti entry until possibly 2028, will those same younger US viewers want to continue clicking and swiping? They won't be so young in 2028.

[Richard C]

I wonder how much FOM paid Lewis to let the cat out of the bag regarding his switch to Ferrari so that it can bury the Andretti story. Or maybe better yet... FOM knew about the Lewis switch and it's timing and wanted to drop the Andretti rejection just days before the Lewis news breaking!

Richard

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Richard C

I wonder how much FOM paid Lewis to let the cat out of the bag regarding his switch to Ferrari so that it can bury the Andretti story. Or maybe better yet... FOM knew about the Lewis switch and it's timing and wanted to drop the Andretti rejection just days before the Lewis news breaking!

Richard

either way, a smart play to take over the news cycle!

[Guthrie]

They will never let another participant join the grid and split their pie. This is just the teams trying to squeeze more money out.

[porsche962fan]

in the glory days of the 70s and later everyone could enter even with customers cars and they had to (pre)qualify

why is it so hard for this current regime to allow that again ??

BTW FOM are really d***s for taking down videos of old F1 on YT

[Skam85]

F1TV is dirt cheap for what you get though. Easily worth the money.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

in the glory days of the 70s and later everyone could enter even with customers cars and they had to (pre)qualify

why is it so hard for this current regime to allow that again ??

BTW FOM are really d***s for taking down videos of old F1 on YT

The old videos of f1? Gone?
not much different from political leaders who wanted to burn books to eliminate any references to past thought and philosophy.
They may say they are just protecting their intellectual property and making people pay for it through their own channels.

But if it was free to air when it was shown originally why now take it down. If individuals put it up on YT then they are taking down something that is actually the property of another person.....

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

But if it was free to air when it was shown originally why now take it down. If individuals put it up on YT then they are taking down something that is actually the property of another person.....

It doesn't work that way. Just because it (an F1 race, a movie, whatever) was broadcast over the air for free doesn't give any viewer rebroadcast rights. Viewers don't "own" that content.

With that being said, I think F1 is wrong to lock old content behind a paywall. If I were them, I would post all prior season content online for free access. IMHO, it would bring in more viewers.

Richard

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Richard C

It doesn't work that way. Just because it (an F1 race, a movie, whatever) was broadcast over the air for free doesn't give any viewer rebroadcast rights. Viewers don't "own" that content.

With that being said, I think F1 is wrong to lock old content behind a paywall. If I were them, I would post all prior season content online for free access. IMHO, it would bring in more viewers.

Richard

NASCAR does it well.

Plenty of past races uploaded to their official channel and on their NASCAR Classics Channel.

Current season races are uploaded in full a few days after the race.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

I'm not surprised at the result but I am surprised at the insulting language used in the statement, not just to Andretti Autosport but General Motors as well. If I'm in PR, there is no way I'm letting that make its way to the public. "We're not going to share our money" is more direct and understandable.

Also, this isn't coming from FOM/Liberty/FIA. The tail wags the dog now.

When he's not looking to blame LM, you take that to the bank no matter who claims to be connected and knows better. LM has screwed up more things that man enjoyed than probably any 2 people, they find cash and adding a team gets LM more money, full stop

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Richard C

It doesn't work that way. Just because it (an F1 race, a movie, whatever) was broadcast over the air for free doesn't give any viewer rebroadcast rights. Viewers don't "own" that content.

With that being said, I think F1 is wrong to lock old content behind a paywall. If I were them, I would post all prior season content online for free access. IMHO, it would bring in more viewers.

Richard

Exactly, you may own your physical save of it but as is stated in most all broadcasts and famously for US viewers loudly in NFL and MLB games, no rebroadcasting without the express written consent of.......

Originally Posted by chavez

NASCAR does it well.

Plenty of past races uploaded to their official channel and on their NASCAR Classics Channel.

Current season races are uploaded in full a few days after the race.

NASCAR learned from NFL Films. And even the NFL at first wasn't smart about it. Guy from New Jersey realized the NFL sold the broadcast and then did nothing with it so he bought the rights to all broadcast game footage, plus some of his own access for 5k and made NFL Films. It made him a ton of money as the NFL learned quickly he hit a market for game footage, best of reels and historical stuff. NASCAR ain't stupid often, multiple blunders but still the biggest show in the US for racing, bad race will draw more than Indy, IMSA and F1 combined, often just for the Busch series numbers never mind Cup. And their YT stuff gets decent numbers too, 1.5 mil for the main and 15k for the Classics isn't great relative "influencers" but decent view vs subscriber numbers

[chillibowl]

can definitely understand why F1 want to keep its content to itself/behind a paywall but i also dont understand why in the 20odd years of the internet why F1 hasent made a much greater effort to both consolidate, maintain, and upgrade its archives in a way very much, as broadrun96 suggests, like how NFL Films has approached it?

there is clearly demand for it imo.

was it a lack of forethought in their past TV deals and now FOM has issues rebroadcasting events filmed by BBC or ITV? who owns the images of the cars even, FOM or the teams themselves? is it that this archival footage typically contains sponsor images that are not really allowed to be broadcast anymore? is there an issue with old sponsor images, sponsors who are no longer paying the teams, being essentially rebroadcast for free basically now? is there an issue with royalty rights for using these images potentially having to go to now defunct teams or companies?

we assume that FOM pulls down content from YT because they dont want someone else profiting off of something they feel like only they can profit from but i suspect its a far more complicated story?

[peebee2]

What has all this got to do with Andretti?

Can't you have a thread for it?

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by peebee2

What has all this got to do with Andretti?

Can't you have a thread for it?

its about the benefits of doing things the American way?

but yeah, off topic...my bad!

[broadrun96]

Given we don’t want to share our money was listed as a reason to exclude them and others market themselves instead of pretending they are a premium no marketing needed brand, how others have in comparison is a valid discussion point