[Official] Round 6: Monaco Grand Prix

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by werner

If Vettel was able to casually do a recordlap with such an advantage, than he could have used his rubber as wel to put a bit of pressure on Rosberg. That would have been better for the race, and improving his chances on a win. I thought is was at least a bit unprofessional.

Agree entirely with this......cynical behaviour at best.

[Razzzor]

Originally Posted by GTE

maybe Perez can take notice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTgZ...ature=youtu.be

Wow that's an incredible last 2 laps. Epic moves there. Helps that your 6 secs a lap faster, but damn those were close moves as well. Those 3 drivers definitely didn't give much of a fight as they could easily have collided, especially cutting of Hulkenberg in the third move.

[TF110]

Hamilton shouldn't have slowed during the first safety car. He could havd held his 2nd place.

[jedrinck]

Originally Posted by werner

If Vettel was able to casually do a recordlap with such an advantage, than he could have used his rubber as wel to put a bit of pressure on Rosberg. That would have been better for the race, and improving his chances on a win. I thought is was at least a bit unprofessional.

Rosberg was in tire preservation mode the whole race, knowing he could match or better Vettel's pace if necessary. If Vettel had been more aggressive maybe he'd have run the risk of having to stop for tires again. In hindsight probably not, but I guess they decided to settle for 18 points after the SC. Yes, the fastest lap at the end was pointless. Maybe it's just a way of having some fun after a boring 78 lap procession.

[jsTrecu]

Originally Posted by werner

If Vettel was able to casually do a recordlap with such an advantage, than he could have used his rubber as wel to put a bit of pressure on Rosberg. That would have been better for the race, and improving his chances on a win. I thought is was at least a bit unprofessional.

Blame the tyres, not RBR and Mercedes for deciding to cruise all race in order to preserve them in an attempt to do a one stopper.
Vettel had 2 seconds in the bag, as did Rosberg, as did Webber, as did Hamilton, as did almost everybody.

They did the right thing, Vettel's two closer rivals were struggling, no need to push there risking degradation or an accident.

[DV_08]

It was only a matter of time before Perez had an accident with the way he was positioning his car into that particular corner.

[airbusA346]

Originally Posted by jedrinck

Yes, the fastest lap at the end was pointless. Maybe it's just a way of having some fun after a boring 78 lap procession.

Rocky told Vettel on the radio to stop going for the fastest lap, because it was stupid and there are no points for fastest lap (or words to that effect), and Vettel's response was that he at least gets the satisfaction from it.

[frostie]

Here's a few of my pictures from the race. I havent had time to look through many of them yet but thought that I'd post a few up for everyone:

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I'll be sorting out all my photos tonight so I'll upload them to my gallery tomorrow and post a link for it

[awrb]

It seems that the drivers were a bit over the top preserving the tyres. If Vettel had enough left to set fastest lap, why did he not use that grip to push Nico, hoping he'd make a mistake at least. Nico was very good though, the old phrase about winning at the slowest speed you need was used here. Nico didn't need to push really as Vettel was holding back and, if Vettel did decide to suddenly go for it, it's relatively easy to defend here. Yes the tyres need beefing up a bit, but I think Rosberg was driving tactically as much as anything.

[Sodemo]

I'm sure it was Mansell who said that if you want to overtake here you have to start bashing wheels, which is pretty much exactly what Perez did. I say good on Perez for actually having a go.

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I'm sure it was Mansell who said that if you want to overtake here you have to start bashing wheels, which is pretty much exactly what Perez did. I say good on Perez for actually having a go.

On the other hand he didn't finish the race...so was it worth it?

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by JamesH

On the other hand he didn't finish the race...so was it worth it?

With the benefit of hindsight, no. However I think he should be applauded for not being happy to sit behind a train of cars and actually have a go.

I personally think that both mclarens were suffering with poor traction out of the slow corners which meant that any overtaking move came from a long way back. Contrast that with the Sutil or Kimi moves late on in the race and they had rather good traction and were right on the tail's of cars before diving down on the brakes.

[airbusA346]

Grosjean thinks Ricciardo is at fault for the crash.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107719

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by airbusA346

Grosjean thinks Ricciardo is at fault for the crash.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107719

Having read that, it sounds like a bunch of excuses. Grosjean is accident prone.

[formerf1champ]

Perez was a case of not knowing when to quit while you're ahead. Had he cooled his brain, he'd finished sixth, been know for pulling two great moves on Button and Alonso, and would've had an edge over Button for the short term. Instead he gets donuts and the reputation that he might be an airhead. Before Whitmarsh told him to harden up. Now, it doesn't appear he knows when to attack or defend. I can't believe Croft was suggesting that maybe Raikkonen was at fault and Brundle saying Perez was "entitled" to some room. Rubbish! He was entitled to nothing, and that's what he got.

Raikkonen is a beast. Don't any of you who try to diminish him ever forget that!

[ECW Dan Selby]

Nah, I personally think Raikkonen got it SLIGHTLY wrong there. Perez didn't have a chance to back out, he was at that 'point of no return'. Any other track and it wouldn't have been an issue.

It wasn't penalty worthy by any means, but I think if you do want to point blame one way or another, the scales slightly tip towards Kimi, and i'm a big Kimi fan.

Selby

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Nah, I personally think Raikkonen got it SLIGHTLY wrong there. Perez didn't have a chance to back out, he was at that 'point of no return'. Any other track and it wouldn't have been an issue.

Bud, we're going to avoid a long argument since it's nearly midnight here and I'm about to go to bed. But, there is no way anybody is pinning that on Raikkonen. It wasn't an insidious defence (as in Schumacher like), and Perez bit off more than he could chew barrelling in like that form that far back. Sometimes, you've got to know when to quit. Only if you are Ayrton Senna, do you try to be like Ayrton Senna. That's my advice to any driver, in any competition.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I'm sure it was Mansell who said that if you want to overtake here you have to start bashing wheels, which is pretty much exactly what Perez did. I say good on Perez for actually having a go.

Maybe, but you end up reaping what you sow eventually.... And he did just that.

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

Bud, we're going to avoid a long argument since it's nearly midnight here and I'm about to go to bed. But, there is no way anybody is pinning that on Raikkonen. It wasn't an insidious defence (as in Schumacher like), and Perez bit off more than he could chew barrelling in like that form that far back. Sometimes, you've got to know when to quit. Only if you are Ayrton Senna, do you try to be like Ayrton Senna. That's my advice to any driver, in any competition.

It could well be the first and only time, but I agree with you 100%....

[Bononi]

I have to say the same !

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by Scooter185

You can make things happen, watch things happen, or wonder what happened.

[TrapezeArtist]

JB's most satisfying moment must have been placing his car in just the right place to stop Checo diving for the pits. Not that it made much difference in the end.

I'm a JB fan (tough though that can be at times) but it has been clear for years that Jenson needs a perfect car in order to give of his best. Dragging a dog into unrepresentative results is not his thing. It therefore follows that 2013 is not going to be a JB year, but he must be careful not to sound like a grumpy old man moaning at being beaten by a precocious talent (think Alonso and Hamilton).

Having said that, Checo didn't actually look like a precocious talent this weekend. More like an over-desperate youngster who could only gain places on people who have a better-developed sense of self-preservation than he has.

[GTE]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

people who have a better-developed sense of self-preservation than he has.

well said!

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

JB's most satisfying moment must have been placing his car in just the right place to stop Checo diving for the pits.

I must admit I laughed like a drain when I saw that......

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I must admit I laughed like a drain when I saw that......

+1

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Having said that, Checo didn't actually look like a precocious talent this weekend. More like an over-desperate youngster who could only gain places on people who have a better-developed sense of self-preservation than he has.

well said. maybe he did go to the well one too many times with that move but the sense of self preservation cannot be underestimated and as it was proved with Alonso a number times yesterday is that he is willing to give way (as he did with Perez and as he did for everyone at Loews hairpin) in order to save a points paying positions..is that not something other drivers should take advantage of?

being sensible like Alonso was (having lost titles by a couple of points in the past) is usually considered a strength but Perez (and Sutil all be it in a cleaner fashion) showed it to be a weakness to be exploited.

i cant think of the last time i saw Alonso get schooled/sleeping at the wheel and it happened twice in one race. it made me think of Schumi in Japan 2005 when both Kimi and Alonso schooled him at 130R.

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Nah, I personally think Raikkonen got it SLIGHTLY wrong there. Perez didn't have a chance to back out, he was at that 'point of no return'. Any other track and it wouldn't have been an issue.

It wasn't penalty worthy by any means, but I think if you do want to point blame one way or another, the scales slightly tip towards Kimi, and i'm a big Kimi fan.

Selby

agree with the not penalty worthy part. i would have also gone with racing incident but still leaning towards 70/30 towards Perez as the culprit and if thats enough for a penalty then thats the rules i guess.

Perez proved the move worked already and it was a rather a clever piece of reasoning to recognize that the championship leaders are vulnerable to the concept of giving up a spot in order to preserve a non podium points position (is it worth fighting over 2 points?).

surely Kimi had been pre warned that Perez was passing people at this spot, so Kimi must have known it was coming and he hasn't put this streak of his together by getting sucked into these kinds of battles. hes far to pragmatic for that so i was quite surprised he chose contact rather than move over.

at the time i thought he might have been worried about getting an in race penalty if he himself went off track but still defending there was uncharacteristic of Kimi imo

certainly you just cant go running into people but because he had made the move before Perez does at least deserve some of the benefit of the doubt here and the fact that he failed to pull it off one time out of three puts this into the realm of racing incident as opposed to outright carelessness imo.