IMSA Race 2015 Petit Le Mans - Page 8

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:37 (Ref:3579145)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

I mean if the race has to be stopped, how long can the suspended period of time be before the race has to resume if it is to run 10 hours?

For example, if the race was stopped at 2:10pm local time (7 hours left), when could it resume so that the remaining 7 hours could be run in full?

I cannot answer this. I was under the impression the race clock would continue running down, no matter the color of flag displayed. It seems likely my understanding is wrong in this instance

Let's wait for the first red and see what happens, I guess.

Simmi · 3 Oct 2015, 17:37 (Ref:3579146)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

Just to keep track of at least some things that did not happen

#33 - should've been black flagged for reversing onto track
#5 - should've had a drive-through (or stop & go / hold) for overtaking under yellow
#90 - should've been black flagged for reversing onto track
#90's team should've be reprimanded for their hilarious driving tips

Does the rule say you're not allowed to reverse ON the track, ONTO the track or both?

tux · 3 Oct 2015, 17:40 (Ref:3579147)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

It is my understanding that this is exactly what they cannot do (if they stick to their own word, which is a sketchy bet at best admittedly)

Oh, im sure thats what Sportscar 365 said, who knows

Teams who need to make drive time would be smart to put in the slower driver because this yellow will last for a while.

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:41 (Ref:3579148)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Does the rule say you're not allowed to reverse ON the track, ONTO the track or both?

I don't know. The lack of action IMSA-wise suggests IMSA doesn't have a rule. Both cars had where travelling against the race direction under their own power and will, is the point. I'd be surprised if somebody would treat "on" and "onto" differently, frankly, if they were to treat it as something in the first place, that is. WEC at CotA saw #42 get into trouble for rolling down the hill back onto track, for instance.

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:43 (Ref:3579149)

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Originally Posted by tux

Oh, im sure thats what Sportscar 365 said, who knows

yeah:

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

I was under the impression (...) It seems likely my understanding is wrong in this instance

Obviously I was basing my conversation on outdated memories.

tux · 3 Oct 2015, 17:46 (Ref:3579150)

Amazed they are going green, fingers crossed.

What did they think was going to happen?

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:47 (Ref:3579151)

20 seconds later ... car in the wall .. 20 seconds later .. still green...

J Jay · 3 Oct 2015, 17:47 (Ref:3579152)

DW stranded on the grass at the outside of T11. Rockenfeller decides Valiante did it wrong and spins in exactly the same place, only fancier.

FCY. Time to watch Pointless Celebrities.

Simmi · 3 Oct 2015, 17:48 (Ref:3579153)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

I don't know. The lack of action IMSA-wise suggests IMSA doesn't have a rule. Both cars had where travelling against the race direction under their own power and will, is the point. I'd be surprised if somebody would treat "on" and "onto" differently, frankly, if they were to treat it as something in the first place, that is. WEC at CotA saw #42 get into trouble for rolling down the hill back onto track, for instance.

Difficult to say people should be black-flagged if we don't know what the rule is - if there even is one. To me there is a difference between 'on' and 'onto'.

Either way this probably needs to be red-flagged.

DeezPutz · 3 Oct 2015, 17:48 (Ref:3579154)

This is a mess. IMSA is going to have to go red soon. Horrible way to end a great season.

MaskedRacer · 3 Oct 2015, 17:49 (Ref:3579155)

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Originally Posted by J Jay

DW stranded on the grass at the outside of T11. Rockenfeller decides Valiante did it wrong and spins in exactly the same place, only fancier.

FCY. Time to watch Pointless Celebrities.

The #90 might as well be put out of its misery now.

**PascaLM** · 3 Oct 2015, 17:49 (Ref:3579156)

Hey guys, your tires are cold.

tux · 3 Oct 2015, 17:51 (Ref:3579158)

If IMSA are smart they will red flag this, otherwise they will have 100 more lawsuits like Ben Keatings

YZFrider · 3 Oct 2015, 17:52 (Ref:3579159)

This is getting rediculous

TzeiTzei · 3 Oct 2015, 17:52 (Ref:3579160)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Difficult to say people should be black-flagged if we don't know what the rule is - if there even is one. To me there is a difference between 'on' and 'onto'.

Either way this probably needs to be red-flagged.

Isn't it usually just about reversing on the track? So it might not be against the rules to reverse back on to the track but the way some of these guys do it is very very questionable.

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:53 (Ref:3579161)

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Originally Posted by tux

If IMSA are smart ...

I expect to be at least as worried about IMSA's version of "smart" as I am about IMSA's version of "endurance racing"...

MaskedRacer · 3 Oct 2015, 17:53 (Ref:3579162)

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Originally Posted by tux

If IMSA are smart they will red flag this, otherwise they will have 100 more lawsuits like Ben Keatings

Disagree 100%. Clean the track let em race again. Lets see who can tough it out.

Simmi · 3 Oct 2015, 17:54 (Ref:3579163)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

Isn't it usually just about reversing on the track? So it might not be against the rules to reverse back on to the track but the way some of these guys do it is very very questionable.

Yeah that was the point I was trying to make. Normally you have the no reversing on the track rule to stop people who miss the pit entry reversing I guess.

carbsmith · 3 Oct 2015, 17:54 (Ref:3579164)

Pretty special when you're watching the 90 backing out of the grass under full course yellow and can hear the freaking race leader coming down the hill on the gas trying to catch the pace car as fast as possible.

To think people have tried to tell me that FCYs are safer than local yellows because they get the track under control right away.

rwintle · 3 Oct 2015, 17:56 (Ref:3579165)

Even if the #90's pit wall is telling the car to reverse onto the track... do they not know where the field is? Reversing onto the track immediately in front of the leader? Really?

Akrapovic · 3 Oct 2015, 17:56 (Ref:3579166)

Given that we just had an identical incident and IMSAs reaction to the incident was also identical, that suggests that they feel they're taking the correct actions. The fact that we had the same issue twice, and they did the same thing is completely unacceptable. IMSA clearly have no idea how to run a race safely.

DeezPutz · 3 Oct 2015, 17:57 (Ref:3579167)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Given that we just had an identical incident and IMSAs reaction to the incident was also identical, that suggests that they feel they're taking the correct actions. The fact that we had the same issue twice, and they did the same thing is completely unacceptable. IMSA clearly have no idea how to run a race safely.

This makes no sense at all.

Ephaeton · 3 Oct 2015, 17:59 (Ref:3579168)

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Originally Posted by DeezPutz

This makes no sense at all.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

DeezPutz · 3 Oct 2015, 18:00 (Ref:3579169)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

I wholeheartedly disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement.

YZFrider · 3 Oct 2015, 18:02 (Ref:3579170)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Disagree 100%. Clean the track let em race again. Lets see who can tough it out.

Agreed. Let this be a battle of survival like endurance races should be

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