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RLM was talking about this mandatory difference in pace during the Test Day coverage.
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11 Jun 2018, 18:31 (Ref:3828475) | #2003 | ||
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Personally I am hoping for a last lap breakdown!
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11 Jun 2018, 19:49 (Ref:3828492) | #2005 | ||
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The privateers get favorable EoT to get closer to Toyota. I mean, if that's not clear by now I don't know what to tell you. |
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11 Jun 2018, 20:50 (Ref:3828503) | #2007 | ||
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I’ve not noticed the drive through rule. Which one is it? I’d like to read the wording and check it’s a drive through not a stop go.
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Well, I think we may as well abandon the race now as all the experts are saying it's been fixed. Hell, why bother..... (Darn it, I'm sounding like Adam....).
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It was basically implied that they should be faster because they're factory efforts. Just like Audi was with the R8 in LMP900, as they were a factory effort, but again, nothing was printed in black and white that they had to be faster. Now there's a rule written in the rules that Toyota have to be automatically faster, rather than have them be naturally faster due to being a factory effort. So what if the ACO have given the private teams breaks to be closer to Toyota? Originally it seems that they were supposed to be on pace without an insurance in the rule book for Toyota to be granted a performance advantage. This goes back to my soapbox comments in the LMP1 rules thread that if the ACO want to give Toyota an advantage, let them have their stint advantage and let everything else play out as it should. If Toyota end up slower, it's their tough luck. If the privateers end up almost as fast as a factory team, either the ACO did a good job of BOP or got their sums wrong. If privateers naturally end up slower, then that's basically the natural order, like it or not. Last edited by chernaudi; 11 Jun 2018 at 21:16. |
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On a significantly less conspiratorial note - spot the Tenthers…...
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11 Jun 2018, 21:36 (Ref:3828516) | #2011 | ||
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11 Jun 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3828526) | #2012 | ||
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Yet you have a driver going on record (irrespective of the site) saying that if they go as fast or faster than Toyota they can get penalized. However, that's the first that I've heard of it being a drive through or stop and go penalty. The penalty as I read it, at the officials' discretion, is a reduction of fuel allotment for the rest of the race.
Should Toyota be faster? Going by the Audi, Peugeot, Porsche, et al examples, yes, they should be. They're the one's with the $100 million program vs private teams with a fraction of that. But this is the first time ever that I've read in a rule book that a factory team should automatically be faster per rules, to the tune of .5 of a second around Le Mans. Of course, how the ACO do intend to measure this is interesting, by basing it off the fastest 20 laps over a given period of time. Where the waters actually get muddy there is that the ACO will have to take into account track conditions (such as weather), FCYs, slow zones, pace car situations, etc. No matter how you do split it, the ACO have an unenviable job, no matter how we may rip on them for seemingly sometimes saying one thing and either doing another or back tracking on it. But then again, and I know that I'll catch flak for this, but even Daily Sports Car are guilty of sometimes using headlines to get clicks, like with the Fillion Hints at 2020/2024 regs. I didn't read anything there that I didn't read elsewhere, aside from Fillion taking a dig at Audi Sport and Porsche for bringing in high tech at a high cost--ironically what the ACO wanted them to do at the time. And oddly, the ACO by 2020/21 want to get rid of EOT and basically replace it with BOP. But that's a discussion for another thread. |
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Why would they do that in first place? On all questions where his passions are strongly engaged, man prizes certitude and fears knowledge. Dispassionate inquiry is welcomed only when the result is indifferent. Everybody knows that Toyota will win on Sunday. |
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Everybody expects them to win, no one knows if they will That's the beauty of the future, it's yet to take place.
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12 Jun 2018, 06:54 (Ref:3828579) | #2019 | ||
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Can't believe that it is written in the rules that if the Rebellion is faster, they get a drive through. What happens if the conditions change and they have a set up more suited to those?
Even if the Rebellions are around 0.5 to 1 second a lap slower, they have a great chance to win as cars have won the race in the past with larger speed deficits |
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Rebellion are the ones most likely to profit should Toyota trip up
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Privateers were given a very generous EOT brake, with those rules a manufacture effort would wipe out the competition. So it should be obvious that they can not be faster than Toyota, but I hope they will be on-pair and breathing down hard on Toyota neck, pushing them to "destruction" |
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Quite! AER will provide spectacular fireworks during the night, and for free of charge, that's for sure
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