2012/2013 NZ summer series

[Alpina107]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

Interesting question chappelli. I thought the same thing.

Have to say it looks like Mitch showed his class in TRS. I hope this is a good start for what will be a big 2 years for Mitch. Who dropped out for Mitch to compete or did Giles have an extra car?

Also I can't seem to find the entry lists on the website can some one help me out

Entry List at Jan 7th: http://www.toyotaracing.co.nz/wp-content/themes/TRS/uploads/2009/08/Toyota-Racing-Series-Entry-List-as-at-Jan-12.pdf
Looks like Giles had 5 drivers initially, then added Mitch for Round 4.

[flyingduck]

Sorry I meant the entry list for manfield this weekend.

[Goat Boy]

That is leaving it quite late isn't it, hopefully they will have something up today.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I just don't really understand how it was the first car out of the box and yet the Camry was up and racing as the 3rd car out and still we have not seen FG01.

It would seem the issue was not just what happened at MRX but what happened after, although you have to wonder why it took MacKenzie so long to bring it in to get the Coyote mounted.

prick of a time of year to try and get anything done, let alone something requiring quite specialised parts ??

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

prick of a time of year to try and get anything done, let alone something requiring quite specialised parts ??

Hmmm, I guess so but the car's been around a while now, must be about 18 months since it was first shown at the Speedshow when ST's first showed their demo car.

[Swedish Brick]

Sounds like a question you need to ask the McKenzies seeing as its thier car and they were organizing it all.

[CDM]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I just don't really understand how it was the first car out of the box and yet the Camry was up and racing as the 3rd car out and still we have not seen FG01.

Yes but who is to say that it was actually car problems/issues that prevented them heading South??? Hey it definately sounds like it wasnt ready for whatever reason, but they may not have intended to run it at the first two rounds anyway...

IIRC they did the Ruapuna NZV8 meeting (with their old car obviously) in November/December(?) last year then didnt go to Teretonga or Timaru in January... Perhaps they enjoy their annual January holidays like a lot of other racers, rather than racing at that time of year...

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by CDM

Yes but who is to say that it was actually car problems/issues that prevented them heading South??? Hey it definately sounds like it wasnt ready for whatever reason, but they may not have intended to run it at the first two rounds anyway...

IIRC they did the Ruapuna NZV8 meeting (with their old car obviously) in November/December(?) last year then didnt go to Teretonga or Timaru in January... Perhaps they enjoy their annual January holidays like a lot of other racers, rather than racing at that time of year...

Yeah that's a good point, too.

[promax]

Originally Posted by CDM

Yes but who is to say that it was actually car problems/issues that prevented them heading South??? Hey it definately sounds like it wasnt ready for whatever reason, but they may not have intended to run it at the first two rounds anyway...

IIRC they did the Ruapuna NZV8 meeting (with their old car obviously) in November/December(?) last year then didnt go to Teretonga or Timaru in January... Perhaps they enjoy their annual January holidays like a lot of other racers, rather than racing at that time of year...

the same people questioning why the McKenzie FG didn't run in the south island rounds.. are the same ones that were quick to post in here that McKenzie was reluctant to run at the south island rounds when it was brought up at the August pre season test/meeting at HD. then again.. wasn't McKenzie meant to be selling the car rather than spending more money on it?

anyway the FG is now full spec.. let's see what it can do.

[Goat Boy]

We have an entry list 14 NZV8s, guess it goes to show that most drivers aren't interested in competing in both islands. As suggested here, MacKenzie running at last so 4 TLX's. Sorry for the naff formatting.

Car # Driver Hometown Vehicle Type
2 Jason Bargwanna Australia Holden TLX
5 Martin Short Hamilton Toyota TLX
007 Nick Ross Cambridge Holden TLX
8 Kevin Williams Auckland Holden
9 Alan McCarrison Auckland Ford
12 Struan Robertson Paraparaumu Ford
14 Shaun Varney Auckland Ford
15 Brad Lauder Turua Ford
20 Haydn Mackenzie Auckland Ford TLX
40 Bronson Porter Hamilton Holden
51 James McLaughlin Lower Hutt Holden
70 Andrew Anderson Auckland Holden
87 AJ Lauder Turua Ford
200 Ian Booth Hamilton Ford

[ATM]

Hi Posters. for some time now i have read this forum,i must say some posts are good and make some sence,and some leave a lot to be desired,and frankly show very little respect to the investors in the sport. I speak for TLX # 20 and there is a very long story about this car and why we were not at round one.Nick Mitchell is correct we picked the car up from them on December 8th. I wont say anymore than that but the Coyote that was in the car was not the Boss,the intake manifold is much bigger and when fitting the Boss motor it would no fit,it did delay us enough [did they measure the wrong motor?] that we had to pospone the fitment of the electronics in Wellington on the 19th of December,and in doing so we were then unable to have work commence till 8th of January this year,hence no south island rounds. The car only got back to Albany January the 30th. Lots of hours of work being done and we hope to head south to Manfield tomorrow and get Haydn behind the wheel thursday as he had never driven a car with a sequencial G/Box.Yes the first car built and the last to appear in the summer series,however we did run in V8CC at Taupo in the old motor configeration and it won its first race,then they took the revs out of it so the others had a chance. We sat on the fence as i was very unhappy with the V8 fight,and in doing so did not order the Coyote till late in the piece and in doing so put a lot of pressure on every-one to get it ready.Ask me at the track the real story and the road we have been along. this car has cost us $200.000.00 plus.Haydn has leased his TL car to Ian Booth.Cheers Andrew.

[Racer Mike]

Can anyone answer the below for me. If this is true then we have a lot of answers at last re the ethic of the current executive.

QUOTE=KRDG;3197023]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icarus_nz
Janet Phipps
Somerset Heights, Hamilton
Mob: 021 367 526
Email: jan.steve@xtra.co.nz


who husband works for M Fine MAP and Co, Hamilton............

Are you saying Janet Phipps husband works for Martin Fine?

[HD_TR]

Originally Posted by Racer Mike

Can anyone answer the below for me. If this is true then we have a lot of answers at last re the ethic of the current executive.

QUOTE=KRDG;3197023]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icarus_nz
Janet Phipps
Somerset Heights, Hamilton
Mob: 021 367 526
Email: jan.steve@xtra.co.nz


who husband works for M Fine MAP and Co, Hamilton............

Are you saying Janet Phipps husband works for Martin Fine?

Google is our friend.

http://mapassociates.co.nz/about-us/meet-the-team/

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by ATM

Hi Posters. for some time now i have read this forum,i must say some posts are good and make some sence,and some leave a lot to be desired,and frankly show very little respect to the investors in the sport. I speak for TLX # 20 and there is a very long story about this car and why we were not at round one.Nick Mitchell is correct we picked the car up from them on December 8th. I wont say anymore than that but the Coyote that was in the car was not the Boss,the intake manifold is much bigger and when fitting the Boss motor it would no fit,it did delay us enough [did they measure the wrong motor?] that we had to pospone the fitment of the electronics in Wellington on the 19th of December,and in doing so we were then unable to have work commence till 8th of January this year,hence no south island rounds. The car only got back to Albany January the 30th. Lots of hours of work being done and we hope to head south to Manfield tomorrow and get Haydn behind the wheel thursday as he had never driven a car with a sequencial G/Box.Yes the first car built and the last to appear in the summer series,however we did run in V8CC at Taupo in the old motor configeration and it won its first race,then they took the revs out of it so the others had a chance. We sat on the fence as i was very unhappy with the V8 fight,and in doing so did not order the Coyote till late in the piece and in doing so put a lot of pressure on every-one to get it ready.Ask me at the track the real story and the road we have been along. this car has cost us $200.000.00 plus.Haydn has leased his TL car to Ian Booth.Cheers Andrew.

Thanks Andrew, and welcome to the forum. Really good to hear your side of things. Hope Haydn goes well this weekend

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by Racer Mike

Can anyone answer the below for me. If this is true then we have a lot of answers at last re the ethic of the current executive.

QUOTE=KRDG;3197023]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icarus_nz
Janet Phipps
Somerset Heights, Hamilton
Mob: 021 367 526
Email: jan.steve@xtra.co.nz


who husband works for M Fine MAP and Co, Hamilton............

Are you saying Janet Phipps husband works for Martin Fine?

I reckon his influence has been pretty obvious from the outset. I wonder if he posts here...

[flyingduck]

Originally Posted by ATM

Hi Posters. for some time now i have read this forum,i must say some posts are good and make some sence,and some leave a lot to be desired,and frankly show very little respect to the investors in the sport. I speak for TLX # 20 and there is a very long story about this car and why we were not at round one.Nick Mitchell is correct we picked the car up from them on December 8th. I wont say anymore than that but the Coyote that was in the car was not the Boss,the intake manifold is much bigger and when fitting the Boss motor it would no fit,it did delay us enough [did they measure the wrong motor?] that we had to pospone the fitment of the electronics in Wellington on the 19th of December,and in doing so we were then unable to have work commence till 8th of January this year,hence no south island roundsh. The car only got back to Albany January the 30th. Lots of hours of work being done and we hope to head south to Manfield tomorrow and get Haydn behind the wheel thursday as he had never driven a car with a sequencial G/Box.Yes the first car built and the last to appear in the summer series,however we did run in V8CC at Taupo in the old motor configeration and it won its first race,then they took the revs out of it so the others had a chance. We sat on the fence as i was very unhappy with the V8 fight,and in doing so did not order the Coyote till late in the piece and in doing so put a lot of pressure on every-one to get it ready.Ask me at the track the real story and the road we have been along. this car has cost us $200.000.00 plus.Haydn has leased his TL car to Ian Booth.Cheers Andrew.

200k that's an expensive car. What does an ST cost fully built?
22 days to dyno and wire that seems along time.

Andrew was the specific motor at the time of build the boss spec?

Good luck for manfield hope you get some good track time.

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I reckon his influence has been pretty obvious from the outset. I wonder if he posts here...

Maybe Bill, Goat Boy is referring to Fine's alleged influence as a director on the board of TMC/MPL (on which you were also a director) that failed and recently went into liquidation resulting in a significant loss to MSNZ (member clubs).

[Sidewayz]

Originally Posted by flyingduck

200k that's an expensive car. What does an ST cost fully built?
22 days to dyno and wire that seems along time.

Andrew was the specific motor at the time of build the boss spec?

Good luck for manfield hope you get some good track time.

200k sounds pretty good for that car. Isn't a Flat packet ST 195k? Before the new upgrades parts? Add construction and paint....

Anyway Back on topic. Ill be traveling to manfeild and I'm looking forward to seeing the 3 different maques racing side by side.

[Club racer]

Bill - could you possibly comment on a couple of things...

1) That a specific reference to Martin Fine was included in the minutes that were produced after the recent meeting between the V8ST directors and MSNZ.

2) That every single item - including the inclusion relating to Martin Fine - was agreed in principle at the meeting and then reneged upon later without explanation along by MSNZ with the rest of the proposals listed in the minutes.

3) That the specific inclusion of Mr Fine in the minutes was a firm referencing to him not being involved in the future promotion or stewarding of events involving V8ST post any settlement with MSNZ.


Thanks.

PS - Re-arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying. A rat smell I.

[Member CCC]

Originally Posted by Club racer

Bill - could you possibly comment on a couple of things...

1) That a specific reference to Martin Fine was included in the minutes that were produced after the recent meeting between the V8ST directors and MSNZ.

2) That every single item - including the inclusion relating to Martin Fine - was agreed in principle at the meeting and then reneged upon later without explanation along by MSNZ with the rest of the proposals listed in the minutes.

3) That the specific inclusion of Mr Fine in the minutes was a firm referencing to him not being involved in the future promotion or stewarding of events involving V8ST post any settlement with MSNZ.


Thanks.

PS - Re-arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying. A rat smell I.

Are you referring to the meeting held in Jan this year?

[Bill Brown]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Why so, Bill?

To me it looks like you are trying to tarnish the reputation of one of our honest hard working volunteers.

[edit]keep it polite, please[/edit]

[Club racer]

Originally Posted by Member CCC

Are you referring to the meeting held in Jan this year?

I am. And will be interested to see what the MSNZ response is if they bother. My ultimate question is I guess, if he is not involved as they say, hy the specific mention of him not being part of it in the minutes?

[Bill Brown]

Originally Posted by Club racer

Bill - could you possibly comment on a couple of things...

1) That a specific reference to Martin Fine was included in the minutes that were produced after the recent meeting between the V8ST directors and MSNZ.

2) That every single item - including the inclusion relating to Martin Fine - was agreed in principle at the meeting and then reneged upon later without explanation along by MSNZ with the rest of the proposals listed in the minutes.

3) That the specific inclusion of Mr Fine in the minutes was a firm referencing to him not being involved in the future promotion or stewarding of events involving V8ST post any settlement with MSNZ.


Thanks.

PS - Re-arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying. A rat smell I.

I can not comment as I have not seen the minutes you refeer to

[nistfan]

[QUOTE=Bill Brown;3199838]To me it looks like you are trying to tarnish the reputation of one of our honest hard working volunteers.

I hope that comment does not come back to haunt you

[Bill Brown]

Originally Posted by RogerH

Maybe Bill, Goat Boy is referring to Fine's alleged influence as a director on the board of TMC/MPL (on which you were also a director) that failed and recently went into liquidation resulting in a significant loss to MSNZ (member clubs).

Roger
You continually make references to TMC/MPL and it's losses to member clubs although it is probably the wrong thread here are some information for you to consider.

1. MSNZ (member clubs) had the controlling shareholding in the company so they effectivily put the company into receivership when there were in my opinion other options.
2. MSNZ (member clubs) have always had a measure of control over the company and in some cases when it used that control it put the company into loss making situations.
3. MSNZ (member clubs) and club shareholders made large profits from the activities company over the years far outweighing any losses.

So is the company soley responsible I dont think so.

And no I'm not going to go into an in depth debate over it.