LM24 Race • 24hrs of Le Mans • June, 6th – 13th 2010 - Page 84

cmk · 16 Jun 2010, 18:45 (Ref:2713305)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Not sure, seemed to me like all the fast protos were stopping close to the white line and every major team did the "dance of the 14 mechanics" in a similar way, particularly the tire changes on the right-hand side.

I just watched the Audi + cameraman crash video again because it gives an overhead view of an Audi stop. Both #7 and #8 were much further from the white line than Peugeot on those stops - several feet actually.

**Aysedasi** · 16 Jun 2010, 19:55 (Ref:2713341)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Ok Ayse ..... never thought I would say it but ..... yhose BMW's were not very impressive , and sounded terrible for a V8 .

Shamefull thing ..... should be in the WTCC with that yoke , but the art car looked nice I thought .

I'm honest enough to admit they looked OK, the art car in particular, but my view of where they really belong hasn't changed at all.......

isynge · 16 Jun 2010, 23:31 (Ref:2713447)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I'm honest enough to admit they looked OK, the art car in particular, but my view of where they really belong hasn't changed at all.......

Have to say I agree. Somehow the M3, which ordinarily can look decent when you see it on the road, seemed a touch out of place alongside all the rest of the exotica out there. In and of itself it's not a bad looking car, but it's not the sort of thing that really gets the pulse racing compared to what else was on the grid.

Probably says something that when leaning over the edge of Tribune 34 the BMW wasn't one of the cars I felt the urge to get a photo of.

broadrun96 · 16 Jun 2010, 23:48 (Ref:2713454)

I love the M3 and think it might be up there as a road car but think a car more like the old 8 series would be a better GT car, just seemed more aggressive.

sssssssss · 17 Jun 2010, 14:41 (Ref:2713735)

aco race trap speeds 2010:

348 km/h - peugeots 908 no1 & no2
347 km/h - audi r15 no8 & no9, peugeots no3 and no4
346 km/h - audi r15 no7
344 km/h - aston martin 008 & 007
343 km/h - aston martin 009
330 km/h - kolles audi r10 no15
329 km/h - kolles audi r10 no14

also, surprising top speed for the gt2 corvette, which was faster than any gt1 car on the mulsanne - 302 km/h (296 km/h for corvette gt1).

gwyllion · 17 Jun 2010, 14:57 (Ref:2713745)

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Originally Posted by sssssssss

also, surprising top speed for the gt2 corvette, which was faster than any gt1 car on the mulsanne - 302 km/h (296 km/h for corvette gt1).

That is with a good tow because the #63 Corvette "only" did 297 km/h (see here).

endurancesportscar · 17 Jun 2010, 21:45 (Ref:2713991)

Our Le Mans write ups are online for all to read... off to interview Piers Phillips of Strakka on Monday... should be interesting.... maybe even get a Glass of Bubbly!!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Jun 2010, 00:19 (Ref:2714057)

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Originally Posted by Slowsley

For example, how many Jimmie Johnson fans know who Lord Drayson is? Well, I for one have tremendous respect for what he does, his passion, forward thinking, and its types like him that make or sport what it is. Though he didn't make the scoring sheet at the end, I was thrilled to see that team overcome so much time in the pits and still be on the track at the checkered flag. That, to me, was a headline.

That is an excellent example and sums up just what Le Mans and endurance racing is all about.

HORNDAWG · 18 Jun 2010, 00:21 (Ref:2714058)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

That is with a good tow because the #63 Corvette "only" did 297 km/h (see here).

Not necessarily, as the #64 was faster than the #63 the entire time. It may have been running in ever so slightly different trim, or on a different map.

L.P.

Mal · 18 Jun 2010, 16:36 (Ref:2714390)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Have to say I agree. Somehow the M3, which ordinarily can look decent when you see it on the road, seemed a touch out of place alongside all the rest of the exotica out there. In and of itself it's not a bad looking car, but it's not the sort of thing that really gets the pulse racing compared to what else was on the grid.

Probably says something that when leaning over the edge of Tribune 34 the BMW wasn't one of the cars I felt the urge to get a photo of.

Agreed - definitely looked out of place and may well not achieve the marketing value that BMW is expected as a result.

cmk · 18 Jun 2010, 17:15 (Ref:2714409)

It's funny; here in North America, M3s racing in GT classes have been a near-fixture for over a decade so I suppose we don't really see them as anything out of the ordinary. Honestly, though, do they look more out of place than the BMWs did in Group 5 with the Porsche 935s, Capris and Lancias? I think of those BMWs as iconic sportscars...

**Aysedasi** · 18 Jun 2010, 17:45 (Ref:2714422)

Probably not, but I can't comment as that's before my time. Although it would seem to support the suggestion that it's about time BMW built a real sportscar about which there is no doubt.......

broadrun96 · 18 Jun 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2714443)

Yeah, would like to see BMW make an M6 CSL or something like it with a race-able engine package available. Just me guessing they'll put a turbo'd V8 under the hood of the next gen street car and may not be something they could tweak to meet GT regs.

Babapapa · 19 Jun 2010, 00:17 (Ref:2714566)

the M3 get a smaller restrictor in lemans after the results from the ALMS. so they were slower and maybe also the sound was not so fine.

isynge · 20 Jun 2010, 00:52 (Ref:2714905)

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Originally Posted by cmk

It's funny; here in North America, M3s racing in GT classes have been a near-fixture for over a decade so I suppose we don't really see them as anything out of the ordinary. Honestly, though, do they look more out of place than the BMWs did in Group 5 with the Porsche 935s, Capris and Lancias? I think of those BMWs as iconic sportscars...

Absolutely see where you're coming from here - and while my cat sleeping on lap means I can't go and refer to Wimpffen a quick run through of the late 1970s on Racing Sportscars shows how much the 'ordinary' BMWs were relied on to fill the grids with something interesting and competitive.

It does have to be said though that for all the 3 and 6 derived machinery kept the Porsches honest in the lean period, it's the M1 that grips attention from this period. In short, think of BMW 635 and you're a Chris de Burgh lyric, think M1 and you're in proper sportscar terrain.

In short - message to BMW is create something that's a lot more like an M1 and you'll be a lot more welcome at Le Mans. In this vein, what's so silly about the idea of a GT2 Z4?

trahsub · 20 Jun 2010, 01:09 (Ref:2714906)

I wish the bimmer's ran with this color scheme:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/...498b99c605.jpg

**Aysedasi** · 20 Jun 2010, 07:08 (Ref:2714945)

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Originally Posted by trahsub

I wish the bimmer's ran with this color scheme:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2729/...498b99c605.jpg

Makes no difference really - it's just a paint job. As Ian says, it doesn't make it an M1 or a Z4......

gwyllion · 21 Jun 2010, 07:49 (Ref:2715516)

FYI http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...lane-view.aspx

AstonGeoff · 21 Jun 2010, 12:01 (Ref:2715639)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Makes no difference really - it's just a paint job. As Ian says, it doesn't make it an M1 or a Z4......

Yup, It's still basically a "3 box" saloon car...

Down F0rce · 23 Jun 2010, 12:05 (Ref:2716810)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

FYI http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...lane-view.aspx

Amazing photo of Montagny there...

gwyllion · 23 Jun 2010, 12:33 (Ref:2716825)

Yes, great picture. Also check out his pictures of the GT cars: http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...s-gt-wars.aspx

cmk · 23 Jun 2010, 17:38 (Ref:2716964)

Brooks' stuff is fantastic. Between that and the photography on DSC there are some superb artistic impressions of the event to revel in. Fitting views of such an epic event.

The Badger · 27 Jun 2010, 12:34 (Ref:2718482)

Hey , Ive just realised that this year must be the first time in eons that Yorijo Terada wasnt at Le Mans as a driver !!!

Victor_RO · 27 Jun 2010, 12:56 (Ref:2718511)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Hey , Ive just realised that this year must be the first time in eons that Yorijo Terada wasnt at Le Mans as a driver !!!

He wasn't driving in '09 either, last time he did was with Terramos in '08.

The Badger · 27 Jun 2010, 22:03 (Ref:2718960)

I didnt realise that either .

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