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As mentioned engines and gearbox changes will result in penalties for changing.
Dampers in top teams will probably be rebuilt after each weekend so its not dampers your paying for it labour and a few seals/oil/gas your paying for. Springs on the other hand maybe changed so it may be easier and quicker to change to your spare set of dampers with different springs on them. 1-2 rounds for brakes 😂😂😂 Only if the driver isn't using them. In Marrakech its very hard on brakes top teams will use at least 3 sets of discs and pads on the front. Most teams in BTCC will use 2/3 sets of fronts over a whole weekend but when your in search of 10th's of a second this is what it takes as cars are so closely matched these days. Quote:
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3 Feb 2020, 23:53 (Ref:3955555) | #204 | |
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They can change engines prior to the meeting without penalty, but not during the meeting.
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TCR Europe Sporting Regs are identical so won't repeat Number of Turbos for season is 5 for WTCR and 3 for TCR Europe and follow same rules of sealing and penalties once more are taken. Honda guy on how they change the engine from the road car Quote:
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4 Feb 2020, 03:39 (Ref:3955580) | #206 | ||
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1 engine, 1 gearbox, both stock and sealed from the start of the season. Brakes, suspension, Labour for repairs and race support from the team are amongst the main expenses from a race weekend. Completely separate championship, but the ‘original’ FIA F3 is a good example of ‘paying for better results’; if you could afford Prema, that would be the only choice if you were aiming for the championship due to the sheer size of the operation and level of support..or alternatively Engstler in TCR Asia...
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4 Feb 2020, 07:59 (Ref:3955594) | #207 | ||
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Main problem in increased costs are so called "2nd gen cars" like FK8 Civic, i30 N and Lynk.
Who knows how much money they spent in their developing. And yet they are crying every time BoP is bad for them. How did i never heard Top Run, STARD, Romeo Ferraris and other privateers crying about BoP? They are small, so their opinion is irrelevant? TCR cars are originally built to be based on cheap Cup Racer Seat, but they jumped from 100k to 130k price cap, and as TR4Racer said they are selling some of them at loss. Stian Paulsen is perfect example of how these increased costs hit the drivers. He raced in SEAT Eurocup for few season, always competing on equal with top guys like Comini, Azcona, Rosell, Briche. And then when people switched to TCR spec cars, he didn't have enough money to complete season in TCR Europe. Europcup raced on almost same tracks as TCR Europe, so costs of traveling should be similar. Back to "gen 2 cars". I helped one guy who bought few TCR cars to work on maintenance. You guys wouldn't believe how different are Cupra and Audi from Hyundai in term of what's under the body. No wonder that some drivers that raced both Hyundai and other cars are saying that Hyundai with 97.5% power is more powerful then other cars at 100%. |
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4 Feb 2020, 14:28 (Ref:3955651) | #209 | |
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Well, we can be sure that Michelisz stays, as he declared (then realised that it was not announced yet and laughed a bit- maybe it was intentional) in a Hungarian language podcast, held by VLN class champion Walter Csaba and former two time European rally champion Bessenyey Zoltán. And from his sentences it seemed like Tarquini is staying alongside him, as reported by you. Catsburg said that he wants to stay, but if I have to guess, Farfus will leave.
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4 Feb 2020, 17:06 (Ref:3955690) | #210 | ||
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I understand that both Catsburg and Farfus are in the 2nd year of 2 year contracts so both will be on the grid. Engstler will enter with his team as a customer team with Liqui Moly sponsorship
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5 Feb 2020, 10:26 (Ref:3955829) | #212 | |
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TCR version? of Toyota C-HR was captured at Fuji.
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5 Feb 2020, 13:25 (Ref:3955880) | #214 | ||
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Best TCR news in a long time, Morocco out Salzburgring is back
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2020...g-replacement/ Gesendet von meinem Mi 9 SE mit Tapatalk |
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5 Feb 2020, 14:18 (Ref:3955890) | #216 | ||
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It’s a fun track for the drivers, I’d be happy to drive round there
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5 Feb 2020, 16:51 (Ref:3955922) | #217 | ||
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Salzburgring is OK but again another layout that doesn't lend itself to too much overtaking. |
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5 Feb 2020, 18:23 (Ref:3955956) | #218 | |
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Yeah Marrakech last season had no overtaking due to the configuration of the track and the officials punishing any minor contact. Trust the Beeb to only broadcast a dull race like that
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5 Feb 2020, 18:53 (Ref:3955965) | #219 | |
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Awful news for Eurosport Events. Morocco had a bag full of cash to pay for the race. I'm not sure the Austrians are willing to pay the same. Money often costs too much.
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7 Feb 2020, 20:35 (Ref:3956347) | #220 | ||
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I quite enjoyed Salzburgring during its last stint in the WTCC. The main thing I'd do is give an option so they can skip the first chicane on the opening lap to avoid having a mess right off the bat.
The first Marrakech iteration was a bit like Monza, with a few other odd bits thrown in. It wasn't the greatest place, but not bad. In its current form Morocco is pretty painful in terms of the racing. And really, I don't find it to have any standout features as a circuit anymore. |
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Recent article on WTCR site also suggests that we should expect just 5 types of TCR cars this year (actually what was expected)
https://www.fiawtcr.com/goodyear-tyr...all-race-long/ All these 5 TCR cars tested new Goodyear tyres |
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13 Feb 2020, 00:53 (Ref:3957338) | #223 | ||
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Quality over quantity?
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13 Feb 2020, 10:31 (Ref:3957385) | #224 | ||
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I would say, that Alfa and also Peugeot (as well as the VWs) are good enough to deserve a place in WTCR. Maybe with help from BoP, or with financial help from Eurosport to keep costs down for "real" private entries of this (already proven) gear. In general, TCR is running on high heels already, as these cars are more or less prototypes in a way. They should have regulations, like buying a street car, and then getting a TCR-Kit from the factory to build the race car out of it. Would end such things like L&C, who are not selling the base/race car. And maybe it is easier to control hidden developments... |
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Why there can't be one series that is reasonable priced and doesn't use "fake" cars? They are either kinda like prototypes as you said Or they are silhouettes or something in between like Supercars, BTCC, DTM or STC2000. Buy a car, tune engine, tune suspensions, install cage. What's wrong with that? |
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