LM24 Toyota plans Le Mans return with hybrid! - Page 9

LeMans.pt · 15 Nov 2008, 09:17 (Ref:2335223)

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Originally Posted by The359

I think only one Ginetta-Zytek Q10. I don't recall ASM's new car having the same hybrid technology as Corsa, probably because ASM would rather fight for points.

The ASM Ginetta-Zytek is not a hybrid! It´s the new 09S, LMP2 version.

ss_collins · 15 Nov 2008, 12:55 (Ref:2335289)

I can't say too much because I don't want to give away where the infocome from but suffice to say this is a proper project. Though I've since been told it may not be the S102 but potentially an all new chassis

ss_collins · 15 Nov 2008, 13:21 (Ref:2335293)

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What is the scope of LM hybrid technology?

limited if we are restricted the way we currently are, the ACO need to open up the hybrid regulations to allow flywheel and hydraulic systems. Even Bosch suggest a flywheel would be better at Le Mans

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...s-modular.html

duke_toaster · 15 Nov 2008, 13:26 (Ref:2335294)

Why don't the ACO just permit hybrids in LMP1 but say that they are liable to being kneecapped at any time?

Gil Abobeleira · 15 Nov 2008, 14:22 (Ref:2335315)

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Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

When we reach that point, there should be put out a fuel consumption maximum for the hybrid cars. If not, there is really not that much point in running them, apart from maturing the technology.

The equalization between petrol and diesel should have been made by limiting their consumption, not their power! Then we'd see which type of engine was better (gasoline: more power, less mileage; diesel: less power but better mileage). Heck, how we have it, it seems it's the other way around!

CTD · 15 Nov 2008, 14:30 (Ref:2335318)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

The equalization between petrol and diesel should have been made by limiting their consumption, not their power! Then we'd see which type of engine was better (gasoline: more power, less mileage; diesel: less power but better mileage). Heck, how we have it, it seems it's the other way around!

especially in the US!.
But don't think we should completely equalize Hybrid - Petrol - Diesel. especially with the hybrid system!, because if Zytek can develop it, then can Judd and AER too. We shouldn't protect other companies against development, they should either find a way to catch up, or develop there own systems!, this will also push development and help the world

deggis · 15 Nov 2008, 15:14 (Ref:2335335)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

limited if we are restricted the way we currently are, the ACO need to open up the hybrid regulations to allow flywheel and hydraulic systems. Even Bosch suggest a flywheel would be better at Le Mans

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/a...s-modular.html

“Around the Le Mans circuit I think you have 17 points where you brake and eight opportunities to use the boost around the lap. During the race that totals thousands of charging and discharging cycles. In Formula 1 the regulations state that you can only have one cycle per lap, no more than 78 cycles (the number of laps at Monaco). So in one world you have around 5,000 cycles per race and in the other you have just 78. So we developed this system to suit the different demands.”

That sounds like they (Bosch) already know something about ACO's plans.

ss_collins · 15 Nov 2008, 17:25 (Ref:2335370)

my thoughts exactly

TheNewBob · 15 Nov 2008, 19:02 (Ref:2335392)

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Originally Posted by deggis

An idea of a ghost car taking the chequered flag first but not being officially shown in the results is fascinating though.

Shame the ACO didn't allow that in GT1 with the MC12!

AU N EGL · 15 Nov 2008, 19:21 (Ref:2335399)

So Sam it is a real project that will who up soon, Not just some marketing arm blowing smoke

Very Cool

old man · 18 Nov 2008, 10:23 (Ref:2336879)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

The equalization between petrol and diesel should have been made by limiting their consumption, not their power! Then we'd see which type of engine was better (gasoline: more power, less mileage; diesel: less power but better mileage). Heck, how we have it, it seems it's the other way around!

This is the real question, who can win the race properly using the least energy

CTD · 18 Nov 2008, 11:22 (Ref:2336906)

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Originally Posted by old man

This is the real question, who can win the race properly using the least energy

No thats not real racing!.
The fastest car is the one that should win!, not the one which uses its resources best!. Otherwise we could all race our Lupo 3l!

zac510 · 18 Nov 2008, 12:07 (Ref:2336926)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

The equalization between petrol and diesel should have been made by limiting their consumption, not their power! Then we'd see which type of engine was better (gasoline: more power, less mileage; diesel: less power but better mileage). Heck, how we have it, it seems it's the other way around!

We had the green/economy challenge in LMS this year and nobody paid any attention to that did they?

The Badger · 18 Nov 2008, 13:24 (Ref:2336966)

I didnt !!!

ss_collins · 18 Nov 2008, 14:48 (Ref:2337007)

Nice lunches.

Anyway yep real project. Has been on the cards since before Le Mans

deggis · 18 Nov 2008, 15:36 (Ref:2337023)

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Originally Posted by TheNewBob

Shame the ACO didn't allow that in GT1 with the MC12!

Not the same thing...

HORNDAWG · 18 Nov 2008, 15:54 (Ref:2337033)

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Originally Posted by The359

I think only one Ginetta-Zytek Q10. I don't recall ASM's new car having the same hybrid technology as Corsa, probably because ASM would rather fight for points.

Hmm, what about LNT?

L.P.

mattcat · 18 Nov 2008, 16:58 (Ref:2337076)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Hmm, what about LNT?

I thought that they sold their PLM car.

HORNDAWG · 18 Nov 2008, 17:28 (Ref:2337086)

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Originally Posted by mattcat

I thought that they sold their PLM car.

LNT is basically the defacto Ginetta-Zytek works team.

L.P.

mattcat · 18 Nov 2008, 17:40 (Ref:2337093)

But if they sold the car, I would assume that they would need to buy a new one. Why would they go through all that trouble if they already had the car?

HORNDAWG · 18 Nov 2008, 17:56 (Ref:2337103)

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Originally Posted by mattcat

But if they sold the car, I would assume that they would need to buy a new one. Why would they go through all that trouble if they already had the car?

Buy? Well without getting to far off topic, Read this. Also taking into account the partnership, is it not better to sell as many as you can? Used or not.

L.P.

Gil Abobeleira · 18 Nov 2008, 21:41 (Ref:2337237)

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Originally Posted by CTD

No thats not real racing!.
The fastest car is the one that should win!, not the one which uses its resources best!. Otherwise we could all race our Lupo 3l!

The Jags, the 962s, the Saubers etecetera were rather boring, weren't they?

Gil Abobeleira · 18 Nov 2008, 21:44 (Ref:2337240)

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Originally Posted by zac510

We had the green/economy challenge in LMS this year and nobody paid any attention to that did they?

Because the concept is wrong?

What I find completely stupid is the fact that a diesels stop more time than the gasoline-powered cars! That sure can't be right!

Dani Filth · 18 Nov 2008, 22:36 (Ref:2337285)

but it has a smaller tank doesn't it ?

mattcat · 19 Nov 2008, 13:29 (Ref:2337621)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

but it has a smaller tank doesn't it ?

Yes.

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