2012 IndyCar silly season - Page 9

Jacques Rabbit · 10 Jan 2012, 22:36 (Ref:3010026)

Bourdais cannot run alongside Wilson at DCR. For the last few years, Dale has paid one driver and the other driver has paid him. Wilson is the driver being paid for 2012, and therefore, he will require James Jakes or someone similar to fund the second car.

Paul Tracy does have Honda of Canada backing (along with a few others), but it is not enough for a full season at this time, and he has been adamant he will not run if it isn't a full season. If he will agree to do a part-time schedule, perhaps...

...but he also dissed Dale Coyne in 2009, turning down that ride on the basis it wasn't competitive and ended up having no full-time ride at all while Justin Wilson put in some competitive runs and won a race.

Graham Rahal similarly turned DCR down in 2010, thinking he was above them, only to find himself in even worse equipment at SFR as he scraped together a partial season among various teams. To have the arrogance to turn down a paying seat, which is so rare, was baffling to me to come from either driver, neither of whom were in any position to turn rides down. But hey, they already paid for that and moved on.

**GTRMagic** · 10 Jan 2012, 22:55 (Ref:3010028)

Is Milka Duno coming back

cmk · 10 Jan 2012, 23:25 (Ref:3010034)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peat

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96930

Hinch gets the Go Daddy ride!

Good news.

Great news. A tragic reason to get a ride but there probably isn't a more deserving person to step into the car than Hinchcliffe. After a stellar rookie year he warrants another crack.

mountainstar · 11 Jan 2012, 02:34 (Ref:3010066)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Is Milka Duno coming back

No.

marcostraz · 11 Jan 2012, 09:05 (Ref:3010126)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmk

Great news. A tragic reason to get a ride but there probably isn't a more deserving person to step into the car than Hinchcliffe. After a stellar rookie year he warrants another crack.

This story sounds similar to the Castroneves/Moore story...

Rob29 · 11 Jan 2012, 09:38 (Ref:3010143)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Is Milka Duno coming back

Doing ARCA I think.Was hoping Katherine Legge was coming back-no news yet?

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 11 Jan 2012, 10:17 (Ref:3010153)

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Originally Posted by Rob29

Was hoping Katherine Legge was coming back-no news yet?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques Rabbit

I'm still a bit confused if Katherine Legge or Pippa Mann ended up with the TrueCar sponsorship. It was reported to be between the two (they are only sponsoring female drivers this year in all of the series they compete in), then said to be Legge, but she never announced her exciting news, so now I have to wonder...

Latest rumours say she could end up at DRR if she gets the supposed funding issues sorted.

I'd say this wouldn't be such a bad affair, sure Bia struggled a lot in that seat, but the experience of Servia would surely help her and the team, and they already know themselves - she teamed-up with him in her debut ChampCar season at PKV.

DanicaFan · 11 Jan 2012, 14:42 (Ref:3010243)

Here is Dario Franchitti's 2012 livery on an oval setup.. Not impressed with it.

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 11 Jan 2012, 16:19 (Ref:3010286)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Here is Dario Franchitti's 2012 livery on an oval setup.. Not impressed with it.

To be honest I don't really have anything against the look, from that side it just looks like the old Dallara, except for the weird sidepods.

But then I don't really know what's all the fuss about the look, yea, it doesn't match the old CART cars I will agree. But what if it makes good racing, isn't that the most important?

Paradise City · 11 Jan 2012, 18:33 (Ref:3010328)

The new car looks like a vulture on the verge of starvation albeit team livery will add some colour to its cheeks. It's structurally very questionable according to most engineering and driving accounts and this car has been testing for quite awhile. Juggling ballast in the nose is not a good sign.

I don't think good racing is enough. It's enough for the core-base like us maybe but to reengage the mass-market and chip away at the NASCAR monolith it needs to look aesthetically convincing (muscular & shapely) and it doesn't, IMO. The final judgement of course will be at the first race, hopefully I'll be proved wrong there.

Mystery · 11 Jan 2012, 20:27 (Ref:3010370)

Muscular?? Sorry I must be in the wrong forum.

Jacques Rabbit · 11 Jan 2012, 21:59 (Ref:3010406)

That's really hard to look at. I thought they were getting a new oval aero package to improve performance, and hopefully aesthetics as a result?

That angle isn't even the worst. This is where it really looks awful:

http://assets.speedtv.com/images/art...img_large1.JPG
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/...c9767655bc.jpg
http://www.maxchevy.com/tech/2011/vi...ar-cockpit.jpg

I want a safe car that races well (whatever that means), so looks aren't a priority, but...when it looks as bad as it does in those three images, regardless of livery, it's just hard to watch.

Mystery · 11 Jan 2012, 22:17 (Ref:3010416)

Nope you've lost me. Has any single seater since the first Jordan F1 car (the 191) looked pretty.

skells22 · 11 Jan 2012, 22:50 (Ref:3010428)

any testing soon, if so expect a comeback of Pippa Mann after she got the all clear.

Paradise City · 11 Jan 2012, 23:38 (Ref:3010446)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystery

Muscular?? Sorry I must be in the wrong forum.

Maybe. This forum is a motoracing forum. Strong, muscular cars, that are good looking would be the preference here.

Paradise City · 11 Jan 2012, 23:42 (Ref:3010447)

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Originally Posted by Mystery

Nope you've lost me. Has any single seater since the first Jordan F1 car (the 191) looked pretty.

Well, since '95 when raised nose mania took hold but F1 never collapsed in popularity. Indycar has and has a dominant rival. Attempting to reenter the national consciousness and reclaim at least some of the piece of the popularity pie with an ugly car isn't going to do the job.

The opportunity was actually there because the Sprint cars look very bland.

Jacques Rabbit · 12 Jan 2012, 04:37 (Ref:3010501)

Apparently Dragon Racing is going to be a two-car team for Bourdais and Legge. What...how...where did this come from? Who is paying for this?

**GTRMagic** · 12 Jan 2012, 07:24 (Ref:3010524)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques Rabbit

Apparently Dragon Racing is going to be a two-car team for Bourdais and Legge. What...how...where did this come from? Who is paying for this?

Presumably Mr Penske?

No news on the team website Here which is still stuck in 2011 time..

Peat · 12 Jan 2012, 08:31 (Ref:3010534)

That Ganassi mock-up cannot be the final livery. I refuse to believe that Chip would let something that looks that bad out of his shop....

Must be a show car to stick in the corner of an airport departure lounge or something...

Paradise City · 12 Jan 2012, 13:03 (Ref:3010671)

I hope any possible Dragon move with Bourdais doesn't interfere with his LeMans aspirations. Otherwise, its a pleasant surprise that he's back.

mountainstar · 12 Jan 2012, 15:46 (Ref:3010746)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peat

That Ganassi mock-up cannot be the final livery. I refuse to believe that Chip would let something that looks that bad out of his shop....

Must be a show car to stick in the corner of an airport departure lounge or something...

The car has such weird proportions that there isn't much they can do.

Peat · 12 Jan 2012, 16:25 (Ref:3010769)

Lotus test car - note additional air intake(edit: just seen another angle, thats the fuel filler valve)

Jacques Rabbit · 12 Jan 2012, 16:27 (Ref:3010772)

Dreyer & Reinbold and perhaps BHA will be using that same livery on their actual race cars, just with their sponsors on the side. HVM will go with something like a green-and-gold paint scheme, but a little different to meet Entergy's needs. Just for the record.

Peat · 12 Jan 2012, 16:38 (Ref:3010779)

The 'anti-launch' rear wheel covers don't look particually beefy. Not beefy enough to resist 800kg of racecar hitting them anyway.

DanicaFan · 12 Jan 2012, 16:39 (Ref:3010781)

Here is the updated team/driver chart..

Target Chip Ganassi Racing - (Honda Engines) Scott Dixon, Dario Franchitti, G2(satellite team) - Graham Rahal, Charlie Kimball

Team Penske -(Chevrolet Engines) Helio Castroneves, Ryan Briscoe, Will Power

Andretti Autosport - (Chevrolet Engines) Marco Andretti, Ryan Hunter-Reay, James Hinchcliffe

Panther Racing -(Chevrolet Engines) JR Hildebrand

Sam Schmidt Racing -(Honda Engines) Simon Pagenaud

HVM Racing -(Lotus Engines) Simona De Silvestro

Sarah Fisher Hartman Racing - Josef Newgarden

AJ Foyt Racing -(Honda Engines) Mike Conway

KV Racing Technology -(Chevrolet Engines) Tony Kanaan

Ed Carpenter Racing - Ed Carpenter

Bryan Herta Autosport -(Lotus Engines) Alex Tagliani

Dale Coyne Racing (Honda Engines) - Justin Wilson. Highly probable for James Jakes to return to the team.

Dragon Racing (Chevrolet Engines) - Sebastien Bourdais, Katherine Legge

Dreyer & Reinbold Racing (Lotus Engines) - Oriol Servia

Teams with unconfirmed drivers at this time are..

Michael Shank Racing -(Lotus Engines) Plans unknown.

Conquest Racing -(Lotus Engines) Plans unknown

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