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Really kind of amazing since you are Richard Lester! Or are you happy to try and as you say BS your way around your identity on here??
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30 Jun 2013, 08:45 (Ref:3271799) | #204 | |
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whatever member CCC... to the best of my knowledge Jono lester doesnt actually race in new zealand apart from co driver appearances...where are you going with this ??how does who you think i may or may not be have any relevance to this thread...its no wonder the sport is in such a state.
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30 Jun 2013, 09:29 (Ref:3271809) | #205 | ||
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"i can only imagine how some ST sponsors are feeling right now after the same day coverage became week later edited highlights..." I simply asked this question: "How does Jono now explain to his sponsors that there is no more same weekend TV3 coverage and by the way the quality has gone for live broadcast standard to the crap we saw at Pukekohe?" As you are well aware Jono brought on board Fastway to JMR so my question was in reference to the ST sponsors that have been promised something that was far from being delivered! (agreeing with you) Wonder how BNT felt with value that was offered to them as a major sponsor at Pukekohe?? Or how JMR covered off the whole TV thing to the sponsors considering John was one of driving forces around live TV as a director of ST's. As to the state of the sport maybe you should read back through some of your old post's on here, interesting to see what you have said about TRS and MSNZ considering the opportunities that Jono was given! As my dad once said to me you shouldn't throw stones in a glass house! |
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Which class have you been involved with where you were given a "confirmed TV schedule" prior to the start of the season? If I follow your reasoning, we would all have to double-check every single aspect of a class promoters offering before we open our mouths. I've said it before and I'll say it again... it looks no one can be trusted which says it's all pretty shifty business. |
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30 Jun 2013, 19:44 (Ref:3272076) | #207 | ||
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did they have written contracts in place for the 'Summer Series' broadcasts ?? did they ever change the broadcast schedule and quality mid-season after series sponsors were locked in ?? |
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1 Jul 2013, 01:07 (Ref:3272163) | #209 | ||
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Is it just mainly the big overseas stuff that costs money to host, DTM, MotoGP etc or are they interested in some local stuff as well? If its local stuff, what are the general guidelines for what you will air? You have stated you wont show CC with less than say 15 cars (and for the record I totally agree with that as I believe that TV coverage for anything with under 10 cars is embarressing for our sport, whether it be Utes, Suzuki, CC. FFord, NZV8 or Mini 7's)... so what is it you would show? Socram has basically said, based on past experience, you arent interested in the historic's even though they no doubt put on a big grid, so what is the basic criteria? Big grids? close racing? household name drivers?. How does the average Kiwi class (be that CMC, Honda Cup, 2K cup, Pro7 or whatever) go about getting some TV time??? |
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1 Jul 2013, 01:14 (Ref:3272168) | #210 | |
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I'm stunned to hear TV3 wouldn't be interested in classics. There is a huge fan base for those cars.
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1 Jul 2013, 02:01 (Ref:3272179) | #211 | ||
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With so many cars and drivers (and hopefully sponsors) out there, it SHOULDN'T be hard to get a decent field of 2nd-level V8's, whatever they're called. However, the CC TV situation is yet another example of the huge rift that exists across NZ motorsport at present, and the nagative impact it has already had on entrants/sponsors considering the class. |
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1 Jul 2013, 02:32 (Ref:3272186) | #212 | ||
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Absolutely correct. We tried to get a budget together for CC at Puke, unfortunately at short notice, and failed. Had we succeeded, I'm not too sure how I would have explained the lack of TV to our sponsors. Having a NZ Championship winner behind the wheel doesn't seem to be enough, so I don't think there's enough to offer them anymore.
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Regardless, a grid of even 10 cars is insufficient to attract my interest.
Often, TV coverage is so focussed on the front three, that if I was a potential sponsor of cars 4th and further down the field, particularly in a one/two make series, I'd really not be interested and would seriously doubt the investment would pay a reasonable return. If I was a TV producer (or commentator), then equally, in a one/two make series, why would I bother covering cars further down the field? If they all look the same, sound the same and basically perform the same, where is the real interest and excitement in a 10 car grid? Up it to 20 different cars, and I might well wake up, but again as a potential sponsor, I'd still want to know that "my car" would feature at least once in each race - and that would therefore be over to the TV producer to accept that there is more to any race than just a winner. Up it to 30 cars and you are almost guaranteed a race of some interest, but then sponsorship of a specific car would still be a gamble. Probably better value to sponsor a race meeting, a race or a series and you are at least guaranteed a mention or three if it is televised and at least every car can also carry your decals - as can tow vehicles and other support vehicles. Sponsors expect a measurable return. |
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I wonder if the fact that TV3 has new owners has had any impact on their view of proceedings and what rates for coverage? Remember Nigel et al are just mouthpieces for management when they come on here in their official guises.
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Although Shaun will give his opinion but I doubt that it would stretch to direct criticism of the way his bosses are running the show.
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2 Jul 2013, 01:29 (Ref:3272712) | #219 | |
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GB, it was an error of judgement on my part and I can assure you it will never happen again. It is business as usual at TV3 and CRC Motorsport. Shaun and I are fortunate to have little influence from management so long as we keep within budget and the advertisers continue to support the Show. Good news is that our advertising space is fully subscribed and CRC have confirmed their continuing support until the end of 2014, which we are grateful for.
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Hi CDM,
Some good questions. Both Shaun and I believe we have a responsibility to support, foster and encourage Motorsport in New Zealand, it is a responsibility we take seriously and endeavour to do the best we can with the available resources at our disposal. Our aim is to broadcast as much local content as possible plus the big ticket items like DTM & MotoGP. Of the 65 Hours of motorsport screened by CRC Motorsport this year, over two thirds has been local content, and we are pretty proud of that. The criteria to give a category airtime is simple... will it benefit the viewer? .. I will play anything that has good grids and reasonable production standards but I also need to be fiscally responsible to the Show's Sponsor and the Network, if not I jeopardise the only regular Free to Air Motorsport Show currently playing on NZ television. With local motorsport there is always the issue of budget and this effects the quality of the product delivered to the Network.. it is a fine balance of making the Programme as cheaply as possible without it looking crap on air.. sometimes we struggle to achieve both priorities but we do our best. Both Shaun and I welcome any queries from categories wanting Airtime. Regards Nigel Carpenter Producer CRC Motorsport. |
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2 Jul 2013, 07:52 (Ref:3272769) | #222 | |
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There is actually no 'huge fan base' for ANY category of motorsport in this country bar Supercars. I would have thought all of the problems faced by everyone when it comes to sponsors, crowds and TV were sufficient proof of that.... the endless politics (based solely on greed, not what is good for the sport) simply make that worse.
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Sad but true, V8 Supercars are where it's at for fans, and Classic/Historic is where it's at for competitors.
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GB & Club Racer.. Here are some interesting facts you may be interested in. When CRC Motorsport/TV3 screened Supercars they averaged between 18% - 24% Rating (percentage of people watching TV at that time) Now Supercars are on Sky they average between 3% - 5% Rating. This is excluding Puke and Bathurst. Maybe Supercars are not as popular as we think?
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