Chevron B19 - Page 9

driftwood · 1 Jan 2009, 23:33 (Ref:2363851)

Lepp did drive both the Central garage B19 cars

the Dart cars
1 eddie regan car i have AS advert in 72 or 3 for sale and Brian Robinosn ( in phone discussion 10 days ago) bought the other Dart b19 car in 72 or 3 after he sold hs b21- i will need to look at my untyped up hand written scribbles ive been making- i will assume he has bought the Frank Aston B19- he thinks his B19 was later sold by Bob howlings to Japan and his b21 poss to usa
however a car was for sale via French agent this year that was listed as Robinosn car ( i think it was living in Spain) again i need to get my notes down onto "paper"

driftwood · 1 Jan 2009, 23:33 (Ref:2363852)

also is it time to get thes ecars with chassis numbers listed
the red rose cars in entry is a bit of red herring but drivers are fairly consistant to make notes

allenbrown · 1 Jan 2009, 23:42 (Ref:2363855)

Vallelunga 30 Oct 1971 - Round 8 (MN 4 Nov 1971 p19)

E. Brescia Corse: Carlo Facetti (Abarth engine)
G. Canon Cameras: John Burton
H. Worcestershire Racing Association: John Bamford
M. Siffert Racing: Gerard Larrousse
Eric Tondelli (listed as an entry but not mentioned thereafter)
Luigi Rondanini (listed as an entry but not mentioned thereafter)
V: Stefano Buonopace (listed as Chevron 'B10')
W: Alberti (listed in results with B19-FVC)

I've allocated letters to Buonopace and Alberti after taking a sneak look at the Naviaux book and noting that he records both as B19s with a 1300cc Abarth in Buonopace's.

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2363957)

Jarama 7 Nov 1971 - Round 9 (MN 11 Nov 1971 p11)

O (or F?). Red Rose Racing:Jose Juncadella
X. Red Rose Racing: John Bridges ("a brand new 1972 model B19")
Y. Andrew Fletcher ("a new B19", "incorporated remains of his wrecked B16")

I'm running out of letters!

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 10:33 (Ref:2363963)

Kyalami 6 Nov 1971 (MN 11 Nov 1971 pp12-14)

F. John Hine/Peter de Klerk ("the John Bridges B19")
I. Team Wynns: Ed Swart/Jody Scheckter
T. Chevron Cars/Gunston: Howden Ganley/Paddy Driver (presumably the car seen at the Nurburgring in Gunston colours)
Z. Mike Hailwood/Chris Craft ("B19B-Vega" - is this a new car?)
AA. Dirk Marias/John Abrahams ('spanking new')
"Wild Bill" Tuckett: Andrew Fletcher/Eddie Keizan (car never arrived - is this Fletcher's new car that was at Jarama instead?)

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 10:36 (Ref:2363965)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

also is it time to get thes ecars with chassis numbers listed

Only if we can be confident of the number. So far, we have few sources.

Simon Hadfield · 2 Jan 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2363977)

Allen, do you have any information on the Targa Florio cars? Also is the Tuckett/Fletcher car built from the B16 that was later re-resurrected for historics in the 80s?

henk4 · 2 Jan 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2363980)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

also is it time to get thes ecars with chassis numbers listed

yep, that will be the easy part
I have attached a spreadsheet summarising the work Allen did during these dark days, and one now only has to fill out the chassis number in each cell, and Voila, all B19 riddles will be solved for ever

Please note that I did not list all the drivers for the same letter.

Simon Hadfield · 2 Jan 2009, 11:16 (Ref:2363999)

Can i offer Dupont B19/71/20, into 1972, Humble /34 and by 73 Promoto are entering Barrios in /9

driftwood · 2 Jan 2009, 11:27 (Ref:2364007)

the Bill Tucket car he stripped down the B16 then he bought b19 kit fitted motior uprights etc and used the car for years then later rebuilt the b16 back up and still retains today
The b16 number was then fitted to the b19 plate this car then ran through B21 23 specs as well

my notesB16-DBE08 1970 Gr.5/6 Ian Skailes 10 months later sold to Willie Tuckett & Andrew FletcherThis car was later converted to B19- 08 then B21-01 then B23 by the factory now back as B16-08 car retained by Tuckett today

Targe Florio cars
what year? 71 72 73?
i have some car photos of some cars running

re chassis numbers we do know chassis numbers Allen twice i have mailed you my list of cars with comments ( i appreciate we may have some "guesses" and maybe not have written affadavits from owners on the num,bers but it is a good enough start to work from until proven otherwose) but until now i have not had the time to look at races and reports as yr doing now to be more race and car specific
also there are many cars that we cannot list yet as chevron records wil lnot be forth coming on the italian and usa sold cars ie Opert had 2 or 3 cars running in daytona sebring enduro then B sport races later in canam
the italain cars went mountain racing and also they did have their own sports car series

I am actually working backwards from 74 reading AS adverts making notes of names cars tel nos as this will also fill in gaps from what you are finding

driftwood · 2 Jan 2009, 11:35 (Ref:2364012)

B19-71-34 Ford Cosworth FVC 1971 S2.0 Peter Humble builds his own car with parts from Chevron & built with crashed B16S suspension parts Sold to Bob Howlings sent overseas ( usa??)

my list ha sdupont in chassi 21- where do you get 20 from?

chassi 9 is central garage lepp then i sold to John Gray for 72- ian harrower races in 73
74?
75 Buncombe builds it into superchimp then after 3 races its banned car sold to Vin Malkie 76 Jim wallis 83 then richard eyre 86 then sold to bellm/ andreason andresson takes to usa until last year then back to uk for orwell racer kevin ( delbert) wilkins

Steve Wilkinson · 2 Jan 2009, 11:58 (Ref:2364020)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Something more precise on the subject of the DART cars: at a sprint at Suilverstone 30 Oct 1971 (MN 4 Nov 1971 p5) Frank Aston's car is described as "the BDA-powered ex-Miles DART Chevron B19". It was listed as a 2-litre in the results.

So to continue my lettering system:

C. DART 1971 (newer car) -> Eddie Regan (Ireland) late 1971
D. DART 1971 (BDA car) -> Frank Aston late 1971

Frank Aston ran the B19 at Weston Speed Trials in 1971 coming 5th in the run-off. In 1972 Aston ran at Gaydon but was a DNS in the run-off whilst he finished 7th in the run-off at Weston later in the year.
All the entries were for a 2 litre BDA B19.

Simon Hadfield · 2 Jan 2009, 12:34 (Ref:2364041)

Interesting, I had always understood that the chimp went to Paul Howarth and restored for Rick Whyman to race (I am old enough to have raced against them!) and later found to actually be a B21. It should be remembered that the HSCC cutoff was 1971 (and was really the only place these cars could be raced at that time) and that there was a pressing need for cars to be B19s! It was really only when Supersports eased their dates that various cars could reassume their correct identities.

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:41 (Ref:2364163)

Cape 3 Hours 20 Nov 1971 (MN 25 Nov 1971 pp6,12)

F. Lucky Strike: John Hine/Dave Charlton
I. Lucky Strike/Team Wynns: Ed Swart/Jody Scheckter
T. Team Gunston: Paddy Driver
Z. Team Gunston: Mike Hailwood/Brian Redman (Vega engine)
AA. Dirk Marias/John Abrahams

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:45 (Ref:2364165)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Can i offer Dupont B19/71/20, into 1972, Humble /34 and by 73 Promoto are entering Barrios in /9

Can you tell me your sources for these three please Simon?

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:46 (Ref:2364166)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Allen, do you have any information on the Targa Florio cars?

Not yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

Also is the Tuckett/Fletcher car built from the B16 that was later re-resurrected for historics in the 80s?

MN said that the B19 was built incorporating parts of the wrecked B16. That's all I know so far.

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:48 (Ref:2364167)

Quote:

Originally Posted by henk4

yep, that will be the easy part
I have attached a spreadsheet summarising the work Allen did during these dark days, and one now only has to fill out the chassis number in each cell, and Voila, all B19 riddles will be solved for ever

Please note that I did not list all the drivers for the same letter.

Good man Pieter. Will you keep this up to date as the research continues?

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:51 (Ref:2364170)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

the Bill Tucket car he stripped down the B16 then he bought b19 kit fitted motior uprights etc and used the car for years then later rebuilt the b16 back up and still retains today
The b16 number was then fitted to the b19 plate this car then ran through B21 23 specs as well

my notesB16-DBE08 1970 Gr.5/6 Ian Skailes 10 months later sold to Willie Tuckett & Andrew FletcherThis car was later converted to B19- 08 then B21-01 then B23 by the factory now back as B16-08 car retained by Tuckett today

Targe Florio cars
what year? 71 72 73?
i have some car photos of some cars running

re chassis numbers we do know chassis numbers Allen twice i have mailed you my list of cars with comments ( i appreciate we may have some "guesses" and maybe not have written affadavits from owners on the num,bers but it is a good enough start to work from until proven otherwose) but until now i have not had the time to look at races and reports as yr doing now to be more race and car specific
also there are many cars that we cannot list yet as chevron records wil lnot be forth coming on the italian and usa sold cars ie Opert had 2 or 3 cars running in daytona sebring enduro then B sport races later in canam
the italain cars went mountain racing and also they did have their own sports car series

I am actually working backwards from 74 reading AS adverts making notes of names cars tel nos as this will also fill in gaps from what you are finding

Thanks for your list Drifty. I feel it will be necessary to unpick everything done so far and get back to original (primary) sources. So far the only chassis number observations that I'm aware of are from Sport Auto's report on the 1971 Trophée d'Auverne. Martin doesn't always record his sources so I don't want to rely on his chassis listing - I'd like to go back to basics. Drifty - have you seen any chassis numbers given in adverts?

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 18:55 (Ref:2364175)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

B19-71-34 Ford Cosworth FVC 1971 S2.0 Peter Humble ...

dupont in chassi 21...

chassi 9 is central garage lepp...

Are these three all from Martin's list?

Simon - does the Montjuich book give any B19 observations?

henk4 · 2 Jan 2009, 19:02 (Ref:2364176)

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Originally Posted by allenbrown

Good man Pieter. Will you keep this up to date as the research continues?

Of course if you want me to do that and you will stick to the same lettering system. What I would hope to see in the end is that at least the cars for 1971/72 get identified, what comes afterwards is of course much more difficult.

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 19:12 (Ref:2364183)

Lourenco Marques 28 Nov 1971 (MN 2 Dec 1971 p7)

F. Lucky Strike: John Hine/Dave Charlton (damaged in practice and DNS)
I. Team Wynns/Lucky Strike: Ed Swart/Jody Scheckter
T. Team Gunston: Brian Redman/Hailwood (ex-Ganley/Driver car intended just as backup)
Z. Team Gunston: Mike Hailwood (Vega engine went on warm-up lap so DNS)
AA. Dirk Marias/John Abrahams

Also a Two-Litre Sports Cars review (MN 2 Dec 1971 pp14-15) by 'HGW' says that 35 B19s were sold. I've only spotted 27 so far which is a bit worrying.

driftwood · 2 Jan 2009, 19:34 (Ref:2364194)

Allen any comment i make on chassis # is based from MK list and i think it is more accurate than not from what ive gathred or read on cars however i would not stake my life on it
i know not many chassis numbers are quoted in MN or AS reports only the quote syrt posting here about who drove what car and then changed cars teams livery etc
in the advrts ive found only the 72 or 73 Paulenco advert selling 2 cars are # quoted with text and drivers BUT the # is the same but i deduced what the chassis number should have been
ive not yet ha dtime to write up my scribbles and sure as hell aint gonn get time to scan the item but im taking a leaf from CT & AB book and making AS date page notes for refrence!

B19-71-34 Ford Cosworth FVC 1971 S2.0 Peter Humble ..also quoted to me via the mechanic of the day .

Simon - does the Montjuich book give any B19 observations? he actually called me soon after i posted to say the book said chassis 20 !! and i amended my revised list i just sent to you )
AA. Dirk Marias/John Abrahamschassis 30

i will later make list of japan GC cars and see what italian car name driver list i can source to mull over
allen i am not offended if you say any info i offer is wrong - i would rather make the statement and allow you to find more info in print to confirm or deny it than say sweet FA i just dont like to believe present day owners and rather talk to guys who had or worked on the cars in period and some old race reports when cars crash certainly pour scorn on some present day owners info
27 B19 cars built ( 4 we know are B16 updates) yet all 53 cars exist today!

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 19:46 (Ref:2364202)

Bulawayo 3-Hours 5 Dec 1971 (MN 23 Dec 1971 p9)

F. John Hine/Dave Charlton
I. Team Wynns/Lucky Strike: Ed Swart/Jody Scheckter
T. Team Gunston: Mike Hailwood/Paddy Driver (FVC car)
Z. No mention of the Vega car
AA. Dirk Marias/John Abrahams

Welkom Three-Hours 11 Dec 1971 (MN 23 Dec 1971 pp8-9)

F. Red Rose/Lucky Strike: John Hine/Dave Charlton
I. Team Wynns/Lucky Strike: Ed Swart/Jody Scheckter
T. Team Gunston: Paddy Driver/Mike Hailwood (FVC car)
Z. Team Gunston: Mike Hailwood/Brian Redman (Vega engine)
AA. Ray Racing: Dirk Marias/John Abrahams

Also, Eddie Regan has sold his ex-DART B19 already (MN 30 Dec 1971 p13)

Simon Hadfield · 2 Jan 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2364212)

All from Montjuich book, taken by personal observation in the paddock, this confirmed to me by Joaquin Folch. Many more numbers for the 21s and 23s.....

allenbrown · 2 Jan 2009, 20:07 (Ref:2364213)

Simon - no B19s mentioned in the 1971 Targa Florio report (MN 20 May 1971 pp12-13). However, Time and Two Seats mentions two DNSs:

Jean-Pierre Hanrioud/Mario Mascatelli
W. Giovanni Alberti/Piero Fabris

The Hanrioud car was a B16 wasn't it?

I also checked T&TS for Sebring and Daytona and found only B16s, not B19s. However, I did find one or two races I'd missed...

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