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Old 7 Apr 2020, 17:47 (Ref:3969165)   #181
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Whether or not people would have actually continued to come with the old cars is irrelevant to me - well, largely irrelevant anyway. It's banning something out of competition even though they could still be there without actually causing issue to anyone which is the matter.
The reality is that we had two cars by the end of the season.

If that were the case at the start of this season then there would be no auto-entry for LM (minimum full-season entry is 4 for that) and therefore no class
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Neither GG nor Chiana are wrong.

Chianas reasoning makes sense. I'll be honest, the lack of the old cars bothers me. And AsLMS is now just becoming an easy way for ELMS teams to go get an easy entry. And losing the Bend makes the circuit choices significantly worse. It's not a particularly interesting calendar as it is.

GGs posts really just explain why it's like that. It's correct...but it doesn't make the series more interesting again does it? AsLMS is really struggling to be interesting, at a time where WEC is over its peak, and ELMS is showing pros and cons - more cons than it used to show, but still has a lot of pros.
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Old 7 Apr 2020, 19:46 (Ref:3969179)   #183
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And AsLMS is now just becoming an easy way for ELMS teams to go get an easy entry.
Now we agree on something. You just forgot to mention that is the easiest path for wealthy ELMS to go get an entry. Those with tight budgets can't jump on the wagon. When somebody says itís not about the money, itís about the money.
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Old 8 Apr 2020, 10:24 (Ref:3969288)   #184
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The reality is that we had two cars by the end of the season.

If that were the case at the start of this season then there would be no auto-entry for LM (minimum full-season entry is 4 for that) and therefore no class
The regulation which mandated the minimum numbers of cars for auto-entry never made any sense anyway. Let's face it, they could always change that if they really wanted, but they don't. They want the same exact stuff they have for any other championship and (as correctly pointed out) almost all of the teams will be Europeans trying to get easier auto entry than they would anywhere else.

When we think of the "old P2 cars", it would appear that many people seem to see these things as some ancient beings, from another time. Well, in a way it's true, as the age of non-spec and non-bop seems so distant now. However, if we discount the old Lolas, all of these last-gen LMP2 coupes - the ones eligible for ASLMS until now - were built in 2013-2015. 05, JSP2, BR01, ARX-04b, T128, S103. That's just a fraction before the spec regs came to force. Which means you have mere 5 year old cars here being thrown to junkyard as trash. Even less for most of the current generation LMP1 cars, 2 to 3 years! Meanwhile Oreca 07 will probably get a 15 year lifespan to please the pockets of Hughes de Chaunac later on - just as it was with Oreca FLM09 LMPC. Now, remember for example the old Reynard-Zytek-Gibson open tops which kept running year after year for well over a decade with minor modifications to meet the changing regulations? Can one compare the fate of those cars to Oreca 07 and it's rebadged 'cousins'? No, not really, the Zyteks kept evolving through the years and they had different packages available, not being identical year after year for same exact results. The Zyteks, along with the other P2 cars, we're in essence living things capable of change, not stale statues with fake mustaches in some of them.

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