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Old 27 May 2020, 13:41 (Ref:3978660)   #151
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Same here. I’d take anything at this time. It’s been long enough. I’ll admit I don’t follow this series as close as others, but it’ll be better than nothing.
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Old 28 May 2020, 07:38 (Ref:3978846)   #152
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Baskerville should suit these cars down to the ground. Looks like a nice mix of circuits to me. Hope spectators will be allowed by August.
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Old 23 Jun 2020, 01:25 (Ref:3983296)   #153
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So both Astras are on the market along with what we thought were Mr Bright's Golfs, and the Cupra.

Meanwhile, the Subarus have been shipped off to South America for their turn.
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Old 23 Jun 2020, 10:13 (Ref:3983350)   #154
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So both Astras are on the market along with what we thought were Mr Bright's Golfs, and the Cupra.

Meanwhile, the Subarus have been shipped off to South America for their turn.
Is this the downturn of the series or just car shuffling
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Old 25 Jun 2020, 00:28 (Ref:3983691)   #155
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So both Astras are on the market along with what we thought were Mr Bright's Golfs, and the Cupra.

Meanwhile, the Subarus have been shipped off to South America for their turn.
Shame. I would have thought the subarus had their best chance of development in Oz. Especially as Australia has a long history and good relationship with subaru.

With Holden gone, the Astra are orphans now.
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Old 25 Jun 2020, 11:26 (Ref:3983759)   #156
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Shame. I would have thought the subarus had their best chance of development in Oz. Especially as Australia has a long history and good relationship with subaru.



With Holden gone, the Astra are orphans now.
No more so than the Seat

At least people see those Astras on the road here.

One does wonder if Opel could re enter the market under PSA ownership...

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Old 25 Jun 2020, 13:24 (Ref:3983786)   #157
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Lubner Motorsport, the Astra's constructor for TCR is re-homologating again this year.

So no, not orphans.
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 03:16 (Ref:3983898)   #158
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Not orphans, but irrelevant to the Australian car market.

It would be like running a ZB Commodore in Supercars, or a Colorado in SuperUtes
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 03:45 (Ref:3983900)   #159
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Lubner Motorsport, the Astra's constructor for TCR is re-homologating again this year.

So no, not orphans.
That's good to hear - hope to see the Astra's return to the track this year.

Would hope to see Opel return under PSA too.
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 04:13 (Ref:3983904)   #160
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Opel and PSA are already beginning to blend some of their models.
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Old 27 Jun 2020, 07:08 (Ref:3984148)   #161
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So we can look forward to Opels with poor built quality and major reliability issues ?
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Old 28 Jun 2020, 12:39 (Ref:3984333)   #162
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So we can look forward to Opels with poor built quality and major reliability issues ?
Peugeot group cars are probably better built than General Motors group cars for the most part. The list of common failure points on the General Motors 1.4L turbo Astra/Cruze engine is unreal: from the turbocharger housing cracking, to the turbo oil feed getting blocked, to the PCV leaking, to the water pump leaking... it goes on and on.

Personally I would rank both French economy car manufacturers (Peugeot-Citroen and Renault) above the German economy car manufacturers (Opel, Ford-Werke, Volkswagen) for reliability. Both the Opel compact cars and Ford Germany cars (the Ecoboosts that are shared with US models too) seem to have a lot of problems.

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See the FTA television coverage has been finalised & will include live coverage of TCR Australia and S5000, as well as a number of other ARG/Shannons Motorsport Australia Championships categories.

There has been a comparison of required budgets to run TCR
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/arg-reve...071104661.html
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Old 1 Jul 2020, 09:18 (Ref:3984877)   #164
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I wonder how the bosses of V8 Supercars feel with TCR offering FTA, whilst the V8s will be behind a pay wall
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Old 1 Jul 2020, 13:29 (Ref:3984913)   #165
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I wonder how the bosses of V8 Supercars feel with TCR offering FTA, whilst the V8s will be behind a pay wall

Bit of a difference with one paying for it and the other wanting to be paid a serious amount of coin for it to be aired. A sport shouldn’t need TV money to keep the series afloat. Those days of big money for the rights are gone anyway...
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Bit of a difference with one paying for it and the other wanting to be paid a serious amount of coin for it to be aired. A sport shouldn’t need TV money to keep the series afloat. Those days of big money for the rights are gone anyway...
The other difference was that TCR's initial broadcast production was amateur at best, where Supercars is world class.

It's one of those things that you get what you pay for, and if the broadcaster isn't paying, the competitors pay, one way or another.

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The other difference was that TCR's initial broadcast production was amateur at best, where Supercars is world class.
That will change for 2020, TCR have contracted Supercars Media to do all their broadcasts.
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Old 7 Jul 2020, 12:45 (Ref:3986481)   #168
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Even in this thread. Mixer can't even hold back from taking a shot at a class that has merit in Australia.

He can't even make the distinction between the production of the broadcast and the actual racing.

Mixer's comment (Aside from having nothing to do with the path of discussion) is not an observation that the broadcast is amateurish (It wasn't), but more that because it was a TCR broadcast, then TCR is amateurish.

It's ridiculous. It's not a comment from a guy who has a genuine interest in Australian motor racing.

Supercars media supposedly being "world class", then infers that supercars are "world class". It obviously isn't, But when you can distinguish what you see on the track relative to other professional series, then that's the comments you make.

If you were to ask what was so world class about supercars media?

"Err...hmm...urgh...burp...derp...ahh...Mike Raymond said so 10 or so years ago"
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Haven't you had enough? Your comments are silly, you're trying so hard to show how TCR is great whereas Supercars is rubbish but you're making a fool of yourself, mate. No one has even commented since quite some time and you're trying to cause a stir in two threads. Think a bit before you write anything.
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Old 8 Jul 2020, 01:43 (Ref:3986638)   #170
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Even in this thread. Mixer can't even hold back from taking a shot at a class that has merit in Australia.

He can't even make the distinction between the production of the broadcast and the actual racing.

Mixer's comment (Aside from having nothing to do with the path of discussion) is not an observation that the broadcast is amateurish (It wasn't), but more that because it was a TCR broadcast, then TCR is amateurish.

It's ridiculous. It's not a comment from a guy who has a genuine interest in Australian motor racing.

Supercars media supposedly being "world class", then infers that supercars are "world class". It obviously isn't, But when you can distinguish what you see on the track relative to other professional series, then that's the comments you make.

If you were to ask what was so world class about supercars media?

"Err...hmm...urgh...burp...derp...ahh...Mike Raymond said so 10 or so years ago"
Err.. Umm... Actually Mixer did make a distinction because he referred to the TCR TV broadcast, and IMO he is right the broadcast, disappointingly amateurish. I own a TCR car here in NZ [were the TCR series is still struggling to get off the ground] however, my first love is V8 Supercars, and personally I think Supercars broadcasting is world class. Hopefully TCR Australia's TV Broadcasting, will now be of a similar standard to Supercars given that ARG has reportedly signed a production agreement with V8 Supercars TV unit.
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yeah there's no doubt those first TCR broadcasts were pretty poor.
Some of the eSeries stuff was done better.
However I am not bashing TCR, definitely keen to see them racing again.
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definitely keen to see them racing again.
Seeing anything racing again!

Even the Ssangyong utes might get my attention, nah sorry Mark they still do nothing for me.
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yeah there's no doubt those first TCR broadcasts were pretty poor.
Some of the eSeries stuff was done better.
However I am not bashing TCR, definitely keen to see them racing again.
Actually if anybody is interested in the eseries broadcasting (as I am) Nathan Prendergast was interviewed by the Sleuth I think about how it was done. Compared to a regular broadcast they did a bloody good job. This is referring to the Supercars version but I am sure it informs how the TCR one was done too.

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Yep, both Indycar and V8s put on a good eShow.
I even tuned in to watch a few of the Formula Ford eRaces (they used Formula Renault cars), they did a half decent job of that too considering minimal interest from the numbers I saw online
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Haven't you had enough? Your comments are silly, you're trying so hard to show how TCR is great whereas Supercars is rubbish but you're making a fool of yourself, mate. No one has even commented since quite some time and you're trying to cause a stir in two threads. Think a bit before you write anything.
How about you have some idea of what you're talking about first?

When I was lurking prior to joining. I'd read Mixer's posts and recognise a certain contempt and smugness he had towards TCR and 2 litre cars.

In your case, I was thinking "OMG, this guy has no idea", "He's a guy who thinks how scary a car sounds and how 'wild' cars looks equates to the merit of racing".
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