LMS Rnd1: Istanbul 7-9 Apr 2006 - Page 7

ss_collins · 9 Apr 2006, 13:19 (Ref:1574565)

gutted for Radical, so close...

Erki · 9 Apr 2006, 13:30 (Ref:1574566)

Martin Short was totally wordless in the interview...

Looks like P1's and P2's reliabilities were swapped.

JAG · 9 Apr 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1574572)

Anyone else feel the real start for the LMS will be Spa?

Istanbul seems like a non even to me.

BTW, seems like Estoril for the Monza replacement.

Erki · 9 Apr 2006, 14:16 (Ref:1574584)

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Originally Posted by JAG

BTW, seems like Estoril for the Monza replacement.

Brno would be better.

R59 · 9 Apr 2006, 15:45 (Ref:1574621)

I feel gutted for Shorty. Things were looking great for a podium straight out of the box.

Even so, a very very very very good showing for such a brand spanky shiny new car.

I look forward to Spa.

Rob.

Bramzel · 9 Apr 2006, 19:59 (Ref:1574809)

Is there a explanation for the poor performance of the lead Cirtek DBR9? I'd expect a better result from the likes of Garcia and Kinch?

**Dani Filth** · 9 Apr 2006, 20:52 (Ref:1574899)

i was asking the same question in the Chatroom
i was thinking "tyres" .. are they on Michelin or not??

JAG · 9 Apr 2006, 21:24 (Ref:1574925)

Just watched a little of the race on TV.

What a depressing circuit!!!!

**Dani Filth** · 9 Apr 2006, 21:40 (Ref:1574940)

yes yes . we know .

.. but you can't say the weather helped .. it's just so wet and cold ..

JAG · 9 Apr 2006, 22:02 (Ref:1574954)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

yes yes . we know .

.. but you can't say the weather helped .. it's just so wet and cold ..

Neither did the locals without even a token crowd.

Istanbul doesn't deserve a race.

Joe Taylor · 9 Apr 2006, 22:16 (Ref:1574979)

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Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

How about Pilbeam 2nd in LMP2 (5th overall!)?!

That's what happens if you put a decent engine in the car

Flat12-Aircool · 9 Apr 2006, 22:45 (Ref:1575012)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Neither did the locals without even a token crowd.

Istanbul doesn't deserve a race.

Is this a Muslim thing with you JAG?

Bramzel · 9 Apr 2006, 22:50 (Ref:1575018)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Neither did the locals without even a token crowd.

Istanbul doesn't deserve a race.

Monza's crowd's aren't much bigger. Does that mean that one doesn't deserve a race either? Imho Istanbul deserves the race definitely, as it's one of the better tracks out there at the moment.

Aerodynamic · 9 Apr 2006, 23:27 (Ref:1575064)

Can't help but feel that the ACO have killed the LMES LMP1 class with the new regs. For Pesca to win by 6 laps is a joke, surely the fans want the kinda race that Shimoda put on at the 'ring last year...........

Without the likes of Zytek and Oreca Audi and every now and then Creation (who seem to have taken a giant leap backwards regarding reliability) putting in the great performances of last year - Zytek at Nurburgring & Spa with Audi and Creation at Silverstone, this series in LMP1 is going to be a real let down.

Maybe they should have left them be like the ALMS, again raising the question of why someone hasnt got an 04s out there..........a real championship to be had with that car..

It's going to take at least one year for the cars to find their reliability again. Lets hope Zytek and Audi spice up Le Mans a bit and not let Henri cruise to victory.

PS - Shame the Herbert/Smith/Shimoda entry got refused eh?!

Flat12-Aircool · 10 Apr 2006, 00:31 (Ref:1575106)

LoL, as opposed to Audi cruising to victory!?

IMO it's early days yet, no need to start slating the ACO becuse 1 car wins by 6 laps. The Pescarolo is in the last year of a very well developed car, so it's not surprising it trounces the opposition on reliability.

Next year Pescarolo will have to start over again with a new car, so it all evens itself out eventually.

cmk · 10 Apr 2006, 01:22 (Ref:1575129)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Monza's crowd's aren't much bigger. Does that mean that one doesn't deserve a race either? Imho Istanbul deserves the race definitely, as it's one of the better tracks out there at the moment.

The thing about Istanbul is it's also well out of the way for most teams, meaning they incur a much higher cost getting there. Furthermore, I don't think Turkish customs are a very nice border for some teams to have to cross with their equipment. Racing in Monza provides little obstacle for teams, and tends to attract more circumstantial entrants with lower budgets.

This round did have the feel of being halfway between race and extended test session. That shouldn't take away from the performances of the winners, especially Larbre and GPC running their first races with new chassis. Barazi Epsilon, and Michael Vergers in particular, were unheralded stars with an unfancied Courage albeit one with the excellent AER motor and Michelin tires (plue a bit of extra work - notice the hollowing of the control box structure supports on this car for instance).

I think decrying this race as evidence the ACO has killed LMP1 is rubbish. This is the transition year, so things will always be a bit rocky. Creation will soon add a second car, Zytek will hopefully add one (with the other likely coming to America) and perhaps Joest will chip in with an R10. Courage will add a 2nd chassis, this new design and the Lola will find legs...I predict very good things indeed from LMP1 later in the year.

The Badger · 10 Apr 2006, 05:08 (Ref:1575182)

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Originally Posted by Joe Taylor

That's what happens if you put a decent engine in the car

Maybe Lister should have a think about that too , like a Judd GV5S2 !!!

canam · 10 Apr 2006, 06:12 (Ref:1575199)

Istanbul came too early in the season--particularly for LMP1s where many of the cars were new. The test at Paul Ricard, two weeks ago, was the first time many of these cars turned in wheel. Any required changes could not have been done in time, so Istanbul would end up being a 'test' race.

Having seen the highlights, I must say the first 90 minutes was gripping stuff. Minassian and Collard playing ding-dong lap after lap. A lot of trust between two very good drivers. Realistically, the Creation car was the only car to put on a challenge to Pesca. Sad they had a gearbox problem.

Now that this 'Turkey' is over, teams will have the time to test and get the cars going quicker and have the reliability issues resolved. Courage have a lot to do with their aero, shift systems, steering etc., Creation are going testing (why do they always DNF at the first race (Monza 2004, Spa 2005)???, etc etc.

The season will get better. It would be nice to see the Zytek out by Spa as they will be woefully short of a 'race test' prior to Le Mans. Should also add some depth at the front. Does anyone know whether the second Creation Hybrid be out by that time (Spa)?? or will they not bother given that they are only first reserve for the 24H.

TheNewBob · 10 Apr 2006, 06:46 (Ref:1575216)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Monza's crowd's aren't much bigger. Does that mean that one doesn't deserve a race either? Imho Istanbul deserves the race definitely, as it's one of the better tracks out there at the moment.

I think after some concern about crowd sizes last year, it might be in the best interest of the series to go places where the potential audience is larger. Yeah we all wanna see good circuits, and Istanbul is a surprisingly bearable Tilke effort, but if nobody bothers to turn up then it doesn't really bode well for the future of the series, does it...?

If it were something pretty new with a big calendar like A1GP then the odd race with low crowds wouldn't be a problem - there are plenty more races where the crowd levels are higher. But LMS is having just 4 or 5 races maximum per year - so every race really needs to be a real "event". That's IMO, anyways.

The Badger · 10 Apr 2006, 08:25 (Ref:1575272)

That little Radical was brilliant ..... cant wait to see it when it really gets going .

I like the exhaust exiting over the rear engine cover , will look great with those little flames at night .

How in hell did that Epsilon car do that ..... I would have thought that they would have been fighting for a podium in class and not overall . Surprised !!!

Lister 2nd in class and 3rd overall ..... surprised too !!! Cant help thinking what that car might go like with an engine with more poke in it ?

Miscalculation by 8000 Litres ..... LMAO

gwyllion · 10 Apr 2006, 08:31 (Ref:1575281)

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Originally Posted by Aerodynamic

PS - Shame the Herbert/Smith/Shimoda entry got refused eh?!

You first need a car to get a selection

Look at the reliability of all the new cars. All of them will need some time to sort out their problems. The Zytek hybrid has not hit the track. ACO wants cars that race during 24 hours, not the first few hours.

Spyder · 10 Apr 2006, 10:19 (Ref:1575398)

"How in hell did that Epsilon car do that ..... I would have thought that they would have been fighting for a podium in class and not overall . Surprised !!!"

Epsilon have been a top s/seater team for years in Europe - and Vergers is a very quick pro in anything. Their 4th in LMP2 at Sebring should have been higher but for electrical gremlins. Barazi drove well again and (just like at Sebring) they put an excellent, quick guy (Belloc this time instead of Elton Julian) in the third seat.

They just took a good basic chassis, prepared and tested it well, secured the best tyres and took the fight to the LMP1 guys. And without paddle shift or power steering. Pretty cool result, really.

brielga · 10 Apr 2006, 15:52 (Ref:1577743)

Interesting race, I think there were too many reliability issues as canam mentions. However, some of the teams showed their teeth pretty good (Epsilon, Rollcentre, the 430s...). I hope some others (Chamberlain, Spyker, Belmondo) can find more speed for Spa where I am sure we will see a more populated field (and grandstands!!!). I was not happy to see Creation so close and yet so far (again...) but Pescarolo did a fantastic job and truly deserved the win. Larbre was also impeccable a were the other 2 class winners. Autorlando and LNT also did a strong, promising race. Let's get ready for Spa and a 50+ field !!!

JAG · 10 Apr 2006, 16:07 (Ref:1577757)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Monza's crowd's aren't much bigger. Does that mean that one doesn't deserve a race either? Imho Istanbul deserves the race definitely, as it's one of the better tracks out there at the moment.

No they don't, but other circumstrances have dealt with Monza.

Silverstone didn't deserve a race either, not because they couldn't bring in the crowds, though they hardly pulled up any trees. Rather they treated the LMS as if it was a club meeting. I'm very hopeful Donington wil treat the race with the respect it deserves and be rewarded with a decent turn out, that can be built on in years to come.

Failing circuits should be cut from the calender, can't see the likes of Peugeot and Audi being happy to race in fron of empty grandstands.

Just read on BBC Ceefax that Valencia attracted 52,000 for a farily unnatractive FIA GP2 event.

They have ambitions to host F1 and wanted to show the FIA what they are capable of.

Just shows if the will is there, and all that.

JAG · 10 Apr 2006, 16:10 (Ref:1577758)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerodynamic

Can't help but feel that the ACO have killed the LMES LMP1 class with the new regs. For Pesca to win by 6 laps is a joke, surely the fans want the kinda race that Shimoda put on at the 'ring last year...........

Without the likes of Zytek and Oreca Audi and every now and then Creation (who seem to have taken a giant leap backwards regarding reliability) putting in the great performances of last year - Zytek at Nurburgring & Spa with Audi and Creation at Silverstone, this series in LMP1 is going to be a real let down.

Maybe they should have left them be like the ALMS, again raising the question of why someone hasnt got an 04s out there..........a real championship to be had with that car..

It's going to take at least one year for the cars to find their reliability again. Lets hope Zytek and Audi spice up Le Mans a bit and not let Henri cruise to victory.

PS - Shame the Herbert/Smith/Shimoda entry got refused eh?!

Same could be said about P2 in 2004, now look at that class.

With Zytek, Audi, Pro Tran and a second car on the way from Creation it's shaping up to be a great LMP1 season.

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