Prospective new teams for the FIA F1 World Championship.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Customer cars?No thanks.Wrong series.

Yeah, what did that Stirling Moss in the Rob Walker customer Lotus ever do?

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by chavez

Yeah, what did that Stirling Moss in the Rob Walker customer Lotus ever do?

Beat the otherwise dominant Ferraris. Now if only that could happen now…

[Born Racer]

I would advocate significantly bigger grids, more like the way football leagues are open to many teams and those that perform best stay in the top league (Formula 1). Bigger grids means more racing.

The closed-shop approach is concerning. Teams cannot be trusted to operate in the best interests of overall sporting competition. At times, we have criticised the rule makers for their application of rules, but teams do not collectively represent the interests of a series that is more open than the status quo. The unknown presents potential competition that they don't welcome. Of course, Mercedes can't very well say they want to kick Haas or Red Bull out, because that would leave a sour taste, but it when it comes to a team that doesn't exist yet in the series, they have a way of making their case look stronger.

In reality, it should not at all be up to them.

[S griffin]

Yes, I have had enough of the elitist attitude of most of the teams in the sport and how they are trying to prevent others from coming in. The FIA should be the ones to decide who comes in and if the current teams don’t like it, that’s their problem. It shouldn’t be up to them

[peebee2]

The FIA sold out for their bag of gold a long, long time ago.

Out of interest, in what other sports can you just rock up and join the top table when you choose to do so?

[morninggents]

Athletics is the only sport I can think of where that could be achieved reasonably easily but even that would involve competing in local then regional then national events before becoming an international elite athlete.


Good point made by Peebee.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

The closed-shop approach is concerning. Teams cannot be trusted to operate in the best interests of overall sporting competition.

Originally Posted by peebee2

Out of interest, in what other sports can you just rock up and join the top table when you choose to do so?

In comparison to other sports - I see similarities with the current set up and the franchise model of some US Sports.

If we take examples there - Inter Miami springs to mind. Established in 2018, the team started playing in the MLS from 2020 as part of a league expansion.

I guess in terms of F1, perhaps we are reaching a situation (particularly when it comes to venues and teams) where a conference style approach would be an option? One series running in Europe, the other running in the Americas, Asia etc. Then the top teams from each conference coming together for a 3-race series in the Arab States?

[S griffin]

I don’t think we need any series for proposed teams need to compete in. Haas didn’t need it, they just proved they were ready. I am sure Andretti are proving they are ready too, they just need an entry

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

In comparison to other sports - I see similarities with the current set up and the franchise model of some US Sports.

If we take examples there - Inter Miami springs to mind. Established in 2018, the team started playing in the MLS from 2020 as part of a league expansion.

I guess in terms of F1, perhaps we are reaching a situation (particularly when it comes to venues and teams) where a conference style approach would be an option? One series running in Europe, the other running in the Americas, Asia etc. Then the top teams from each conference coming together for a 3-race series in the Arab States?

The problem with a conference style approach is, the vast majority of the teams are based in Europe.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The problem with a conference style approach is, the vast majority of the teams are based in Europe.

I don’t think there’s a single team that’s not in Europe. Only 3 of them don’t have an English base. So yes the idea is unworkable

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Only 3 of them don’t have an English base.

Ferrari and Sauber - who are you imagining is the third?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The problem with a conference style approach is, the vast majority of the teams are based in Europe.

Currently - yes. I appreciate we are still a long way from that being any potential. It's more of a follow-on point to the franchise model that seems to be the pseudo situation for F1 presently.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Ferrari and Sauber - who are you imagining is the third?

Haas is split, but their European operation is in England.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Haas is split, but their European operation is in England.

That's right. So they have an English base, just like Alpha Tauri do.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Ferrari and Sauber - who are you imagining is the third?

I’m not imagining anything. Alpha Tauri have been traditionally based in Italy, however I didn’t know if they had moved yet

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’m not imagining anything. Alpha Tauri have been traditionally based in Italy, however I didn’t know if they had moved yet

You are. Alpha Tauri have had a base in Bicester for a long time now.

[bjohnsonsmith]

This will clear things up.


https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-b...-campus-share/

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

This will clear things up.


https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-b...-campus-share/

Thanks - good link.

And for those not wanting to read the full article:

"The fact it is headquartered in Italy while Red Bull has a massive campus in the UK has also been under review, and AlphaTauri’s UK presence will change as a result. AlphaTauri’s aerodynamics team is currently based in Bicester but the lease on that facility is set to expire, and it will be relocated to Milton Keynes by the middle of next year. All design elements including on the mechanical side will also be based there, as the 2024 AlphaTauri will then take as many parts from Red Bull as possible, with production and the race team remaining at Faenza."

So I would suggest S Griffin is in the main correct here - Alpha Tauri is currently based in Faenza, with a team in Bicester (but most would not consider it a base - unlike Haas).

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

So I would suggest S Griffin is in the main correct here - Alpha Tauri is currently based in Faenza, with a team in Bicester (but most would not consider it a base - unlike Haas).

LOL, you might want to advise the staff who work there that it's not a base, despite it having been the design office and wind tunnel for a long time now.

[bjohnsonsmith]

As the article says, it's all going to Milton Keynes so it's not really worth quibbling about.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

As the article says, it's all going to Milton Keynes so it's not really worth quibbling about.

You're right!

Note to self. I shouldn't allow myself to get annoyed with doubtless well-meaning people who write inaccurate and plain wrong posts pretty much daily.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by peebee2

You're right!

Note to self. I shouldn't allow myself to get annoyed with doubtless well-meaning people who write inaccurate and plain wrong posts pretty much daily.

My wife often comments about the ability of people within organisations (usually businesses like shops or pubs/restaurants) "sucking all of the goodness out of those around them!"
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't make this personal, but comments like this make me feel the same...

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

My wife often comments about the ability of people within organisations (usually businesses like shops or pubs/restaurants) "sucking all of the goodness out of those around them!"
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't make this personal, but comments like this make me feel the same...

Maybe so, but I do think we should pull up those who try and speak with detailed authority, from a position of actually very little knowledge, which others might then believe to their detriment.

[broadrun96]

Except most of the time it is what they've heard and no statement of 100% accuracy. The sole poster saying anything with authority should mind the glass before something breaks

[Richard C]

Sometimes with some posts, I really wish we had a facepalm emoji to use. But while the list of supported emoji is decently large, it has some odd ones. So maybe I just repurpose the ferret emoji for facepalms. I am not sure what social situation would be appropriate for the "ferret emoji"

Originally Posted by peebee2

Note to self. I shouldn't allow myself to get annoyed with doubtless well-meaning people who write inaccurate and plain wrong posts pretty much daily.

Isn't a note to self.. a note for yourself. Why comment here? It's like when people get upset and leave a forum they announce it. With the usual response that the forum is not a gate at the airport. No need to announce your departure. I think same applies here.

Richard