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16 May 2019, 07:41 (Ref:3904083) | #1 | ||
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Control Dampers For Supercar From 2020?
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Story Here Having the control supplier service the dampers would be interesting. The arrangement with a couple of teams is that they seem to be supplied with three or four sets of dampers per car of varying specification from their supplier, and one or more are chosen to test/race at a meeting. It seems, from the attached anyway, that this is the type of thing the series is looking for from the intended new supplier, especially with technical support at track. Logical answer would be to get with the strength of numbers, with at least 5 cars currently running 888-spec Sachs... and at it is said that at least 6 cars running SupaShocks... If the solution was to be domestic, to provide another arm to local industry, perhaps Mr Fiorinotto's SupaShock would be well placed.. |
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16 May 2019, 08:36 (Ref:3904088) | #2 | |
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It's low-hanging fruit.
They should really start work on a control front upright. |
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16 May 2019, 09:58 (Ref:3904092) | #3 | |
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When SC went to the COTF I was surprised the amount of freedoms they allowed. Control everything apart from engine would have been my call.
Control Dampers, Spring set, bar set. And control chassis built by supplier. No engineering uprights or any other suspension components. Fit your engine and tune with the toys provided by the class. Save your money what am I talking about it's motor racing. Someone will build a faster split pin than you've got. |
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16 May 2019, 12:22 (Ref:3904112) | #4 | |
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So 888 just can't get the linear spring to work, even after the "parity" adjustments have been done against the Mustang.
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16 May 2019, 12:32 (Ref:3904115) | #5 | |
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There are several other threads polluted with that nonsense. Don't mess this one up as well.
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Supashock or MCA Suspension would however make excellent suppliers. Perhaps MCA being better, since AFAIK they are not currently involved with any teams. Choosing Supashock could be seen as favouring Erebus and Tickford who already use Supashock. A control front upright should also be a good idea. Surely PACE can knock something up and have it out to all of the teams for 2020? Quote:
Especially as the DJR Team Penske shocks are well sorted with their custom valving (ironically of Sachs shocks but using Penske know how!), and therefore control shock valving can be perceived as a regulatory measure to remove an advantage of DJR Team Penske. |
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more control parts, wonderful....
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I would rather buy control parts from 888 than say Teckno / Team18 / MSR as they are a much bigger outfit and have the proper facilities and capabilities to manufacture the control parts to a high quality, and cheaper ( scale of economy ). |
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I do like the idea of an independent supplier with no ties to a team. But would there be measures in place to prevent 888 or DJR/Penske for example to pass on recommendations in development to suit their particular needs that the whole category must use? |
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OK well even if that is the case, what difference is it going to make? They'll ( 888 ) make the parts they want to, and Supercars will find someone else to make the other parts. Surely Supercars will have some robust rules and requirements around the manufacture and supply ( and price ) of the control parts, so if people don't like those rules no one is forcing them to make the parts so they can bow out and just buy them from whoever does end up getting the contract. Maybe it's more complex than I'm thinking, but then again how complex can it be?? That's the problem with people these days, they like to over-complicate things because they can. Remember the KISS ethos from the good old days?? |
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If they suddenly have to use shock absorbers valved to 888's preferences, how can that be a good thing for the category? Recall that incumbent Bridgestone runners DID have a advantage over former Dunlop when the Bridgestones were made the control tyre. The Bridgestone runners had a knowledge base, while those who ran Dunlops or Yokohamas before had no data at all and were disavantaged. Therefore it is IMO, crucial that an independent supplier such as MCA Suspension or Multimatic is chosen. Quote:
Shock absorbers however are a performance sensitive component... |
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